RIP to the Single-bullet theory?

Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?  (Read 164012 times)

Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8182
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #245 on: September 20, 2023, 12:17:26 PM »
I'm not 100% on this - when Latona says "..indicated by the cellophane on the trigger guard.", is he saying that he detected traces of cellophane on the trigger guard that revealed a print had been lifted?

For what it is worth, I think he's actually seeing cellophane on the trigger guard.


Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11351
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #246 on: September 20, 2023, 01:17:21 PM »
evidently the lifting had been so complete

“Evidently”. LOL.

Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5014
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #247 on: September 20, 2023, 05:18:27 PM »
“Evidently”. LOL.

  Yeah, and "evidently" Mr Copperfield somehow got that elephant off of the stage without anyone in the audience seeing that happen.

Online Dan O'meara

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3774
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #248 on: September 20, 2023, 09:45:14 PM »
For what it is worth, I think he's actually seeing cellophane on the trigger guard.

That makes sense.
It's a pity the wooden stock didn't protect the print that Day insists was present on the barrel. In fact, it seems to have wiped the barrel completely clean. Not only did it wipe the remainder of the print off (which had withstood an attempt to remove it with cellophane), it also wiped clean the dusting Day had used to raise the print.
There are two explanations for this - there was never any print there or someone deliberately cleaned the barrel before handing it over to Drain.
I would be interested to hear a third possibility.

Online Charles Collins

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4402
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #249 on: September 20, 2023, 11:50:50 PM »
That makes sense.
It's a pity the wooden stock didn't protect the print that Day insists was present on the barrel. In fact, it seems to have wiped the barrel completely clean. Not only did it wipe the remainder of the print off (which had withstood an attempt to remove it with cellophane), it also wiped clean the dusting Day had used to raise the print.
There are two explanations for this - there was never any print there or someone deliberately cleaned the barrel before handing it over to Drain.
I would be interested to hear a third possibility.


Day essentially tells us that the remaining remnant of the palm print after he lifted it, was not photographable using standard techniques. He intended to use a time-lapse technique in which he moved the light around the barrel. This means to me that the light source would need to be positioned appropriately in order to see the remnant of the print. Also, the barrel is cylindrical so to see the full extent of the print remnants, either the barrel would need to be rotated, or the light source would need to be rotated around the barrel. Under the circumstances: (1) that Drain failed to tell the lab technicians about the print remnants under the fore stock, and (2) that that position underneath the fore stock would not normally be a very likely place to find a print, (3) the lighting would have to be at an appropriate angle to see the print remnant, and (4) that the vibrations, etc involved with transporting the rifle to the FBI lab could have caused most of what little powder that still clung to the dried print when Day turned it over to simply fall off, it is no wonder to me that the FBI didn’t find a useable print.

Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8182
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #250 on: September 21, 2023, 12:33:22 AM »

Day essentially tells us that the remaining remnant of the palm print after he lifted it, was not photographable using standard techniques. He intended to use a time-lapse technique in which he moved the light around the barrel. This means to me that the light source would need to be positioned appropriately in order to see the remnant of the print. Also, the barrel is cylindrical so to see the full extent of the print remnants, either the barrel would need to be rotated, or the light source would need to be rotated around the barrel. Under the circumstances: (1) that Drain failed to tell the lab technicians about the print remnants under the fore stock, and (2) that that position underneath the fore stock would not normally be a very likely place to find a print, (3) the lighting would have to be at an appropriate angle to see the print remnant, and (4) that the vibrations, etc involved with transporting the rifle to the FBI lab could have caused most of what little powder that still clung to the dried print when Day turned it over to simply fall off, it is no wonder to me that the FBI didn’t find a useable print.

Day essentially tells us that the remaining remnant of the palm print after he lifted it, was not photographable using standard techniques.

No he didn't tell us that at all. He claimed he had lifted the print and that he could still see traces of print on that barrel.

that the vibrations, etc involved with transporting the rifle to the FBI lab could have caused most of what little powder that still clung to the dried print when Day turned it over to simply fall off, it is no wonder to me that the FBI didn’t find a useable print.

Pure speculation.

And Latona did not say he didn't find a useable print. He said that "there was nothing left to show any marking on the gun itself as to the existence of such even an attempt on the part of anyone else to process the rifle."
« Last Edit: September 21, 2023, 09:18:45 AM by Martin Weidmann »

Online Charles Collins

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4402
Re: RIP to the Single-bullet theory?
« Reply #251 on: September 21, 2023, 01:08:48 AM »
A snip from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 236:


By turning the rifle and letting the light shine on it, I could still see that print on the barrel. To take the proper pictures, you have to set a time exposure on the camera and move the light which reflects around the barrel because you can’t twist the barrel while you’re taking pictures. I was in the process of doing that when I got word from one of my captains, which came directly from the chief’s office, not to do anything else. Right in the middle of the stream I was told not to do anything else with it! So I slipped the barrel back on the stock and put it back in the lock box.