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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2023, 06:38:17 AM »
Darnell Willis - Mystery Prayer Woman B/W Side By Side Comparison



Hi Everybody, To me, Prayer Man is still a man and it is Lee Harvey Oswald. Why? Because he identifies himself with his ID bracelet and Marine Corps ring. I purchased a 1960s Dr Pepper bottle and an ID bracelet. The ID bracelet was reflective enough but the soda bottle was not. He could have been drinking from the soda bottle, but it looks like only his silver ring and bracelet could have consistently made the bright circular reflection when he raised his hands to his mouth. Sincerely yours, Michael











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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2023, 11:13:04 PM »
Hi Everybody, I will try to identify as many people in this frame as I can going from the top down.



1. On very top---Buell Wesley Frazer
2. Far left--- Lee Harvey Oswald
3. Right of Center---- Joe Molina
4. Lady left of Center--- Maddie Reese
5. Lady on far right with right hand above her head--- Sarah Stanton
6. Far left under Mr. Oswald--- unknown.
7. Below Maddie Reese is a lady's ankle whose head and body block out Mr. Oswald from the waist down.
8. Right of center immediately--- unknown.
9  Right of center next Sandra Styles and to her right Vicky Adams.
10. Far left there are various unknown people.
11. Left of center under the lady with the ankle is a lady in white--- unknown.
12. Directly under this lady is a lady in black--- Patricia Lawrence.
13. The lady running in the center foreground is Carolyn Arnold.
14. To her right the lady holding the black purse is Jeraldean Reid.
15. The lady to the right of the blonde lady is Bonnie Richey.

Sincerely yours, Michael


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2023, 11:34:20 PM »
Hi Everybody, I will try to identify as many people in this frame as I can going from the top down.

Those guesses are all well and good, but what are they based on? For example, why Molina and not Lovelady?

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2023, 11:44:30 PM »
Here are a few snips from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed. This is from pages 70-71 in the section on Ruth Dean:

At lunch-time, one of the ladies in the office and I were going to lunch and were going to stop by the bank and make the deposits for the day. We just happened to be standing on the steps of the Texas School Book Depository when the parade came by. I was standing there with Madie Reese and Billy Lovelady and several other employees. I remember Billy being there because we were joking before the motorcade arrived. Lee Harvey Oswald was not there on the steps, as some people have claimed.


I remember seeing Jacqueline Kennedy climb over the back seat and on to the turtleback of the car, and the Secret Service man jumped up and made her get back into the car. That’s about the most vivid recollection I have of it. I was able to see that reasonably clearly from where I was standing, although when the President was hit, apparently I wasn’t able to see that because some of the tree trunks were at that point.


We continued to stand there because it was so quick when all three had been fired, and then we decided we needed to hurry on because the bank was going to be closing. So, we went on to the bank, made the deposit, had our lunch, and came back. But we did talk about it.


So, have both Ruth Dean and Maddie Reese been identified in the photographic record? Also, looking at the Altgens 6 photograph, it does appear to me that the tree trunk could have been in the way of them seeing the shot that hit JFK in the neck. And that they probably would have had a clear view of Clint Hill’s and Jackie’s encounter on the trunk lid.

Hi Charles, Here are Maddie Reese and Ruth Dean standing next to each other on the TSBD steps.



Maddie Reese is D. and Ruth Dean is C.
Sincerely yours, Michael


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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2023, 12:23:06 AM »
Those guesses are all well and good, but what are they based on? For example, why Molina and not Lovelady?

Hi John, I hope this note finds you doing well. For Molina and not Lovelady, we have Lovelady and Shelley walking down to the railway yard ahead of this. Molina is dressed in a nice white shirt. Lovelady is dressed in a red plaid shirt. I was asked the same thing about Shelley being Molina back in 2013 because they had Molina labeled as Shelley and Shelley labeled as Molina, and I had to tell Colin Crow that Shelley is wearing the brown suit, so they changed the identifications.
Sincerely yours, Michael
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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2023, 01:00:44 AM »
Hi Charles, Here are Maddie Reese and Ruth Dean standing next to each other on the TSBD steps.



Maddie Reese is D. and Ruth Dean is C.
Sincerely yours, Michael

Thanks Michael, that’s very helpful!

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2023, 04:41:41 AM »
Hi John, I hope this note finds you doing well. For Molina and not Lovelady, we have Lovelady and Shelley walking down to the railway yard ahead of this. Molina is dressed in a nice white shirt. Lovelady is dressed in a red plaid shirt. I was asked the same thing about Shelley being Molina back in 2013 because they had Molina labeled as Shelley and Shelley labeled as Molina, and I had to tell Colin Crow that Shelley is wearing the brown suit, so they changed the identifications.
Sincerely yours, Michael

Ok, but that’s begging the question. You could just as easily say that can’t be Lovelady walking down the street because Lovelady is still on the steps. The Couch film is black and white so you can’t actually see a red shirt.