Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?

[John Iacoletti]

Zoom in on the top row of photographs and you’ll see the artifacts all over “Shelley’s” shirt. And his head as well.

[Michael Welch]

Zoom in on the top row of photographs and you’ll see the artifacts all over “Shelley’s” shirt. And his head as well.

Hi John, Yes, you are correct; however, Bill's suit is still brown!; Billy's shirt is still plaid; other people's shirts are still white; their clothes are still black; Lupe Maciel Whitaker's coat still has the pattern on it etc. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

"Lucy" Lupe Maciel Whitaker Credit Linda Zambanini

 

[Dan O'meara]

Here is a pretty good Couch frame from the Richard E. Sprague Collection with a Martin frame for comparison. It shows Shelley and Lovelady with Shelley wearing brown and his hairstyle and Lovelady wearing plaid and his bald spot. Sincerely yours, Michael

Hi Michael, I think, if you're going to push this identification it's only fair you are challenged on it.
In the gif I posted below it shows that the two men are not walking together. You acknowledge as much yourself.
The pic you have posted is slightly deceptive in that it shows the two men stood side by side, giving the impression they are walking together - but they're not.
As I pointed out, the man who is initially behind moves very quickly in front and accelerates away. If the clip was a few seconds longer they would be nowhere near each other.



Previously you posted:

I just went through the frames again, in this frame they are about to meet a lady, Gloria Calvery, they talk for awhile, then she continues on towards the entrance of the TSBD.

However, in the gif this woman runs straight by them. It is clearly not the moment when Lovelady and Shelley interact with Gloria Clavery. Which leaves you with an insurmountable problem as far as the identification is concerned -
When did the interaction with Gloria Calvery take place?
I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

[Michael Welch]

Hi Michael, I think, if you're going to push this identification it's only fair you are challenged on it.
In the gif I posted below it shows that the two men are not walking together. You acknowledge as much yourself.
The pic you have posted is slightly deceptive in that it shows the two men stood side by side, giving the impression they are walking together - but they're not.
As I pointed out, the man who is initially behind moves very quickly in front and accelerates away. If the clip was a few seconds longer they would be nowhere near each other.



Previously you posted:

I just went through the frames again, in this frame they are about to meet a lady, Gloria Calvery, they talk for awhile, then she continues on towards the entrance of the TSBD.

However, in the gif this woman runs straight by them. It is clearly not the moment when Lovelady and Shelley interact with Gloria Clavery. Which leaves you with an insurmountable problem as far as the identification is concerned -
When did the interaction with Gloria Calvery take place?
I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

Hi Dan. Remember I conceded immediately after your last post that they did not see Gloria. Bill was Gloria's best man at her wedding. So after the testimony of Joe Molina was out that Gloria cryingly had told him that the President had been shot, her experience as well as a Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles encounter inside the TSBD were added. Your finding a running Billy is confirmed by his testimony of I was doing a fast walk; trotting! Also Bill seems to be picking up his pace after Billy! Thank you for your helpful input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Michael Welch]

Hi Dan, Bill and Billy appear to be trying to catch up with Officer Smith. Also, for falsehoods in their testimonies, you can add that they did not turn around and watch the Officer Baker entrance, and it did not take three minutes for them to leave the TSBD steps. Thank you kind sir! Sincerely yours, Michael

[John Iacoletti]

Also, for falsehoods in their testimonies, you can add that they did not turn around and watch the Officer Baker entrance, and it did not take three minutes for them to leave the TSBD steps.

Or, those things are true and your two blurry Couch figures are not who you think they are.

[Dan O'meara]

Hi Dan. Remember I conceded immediately after your last post that they did not see Gloria. Bill was Gloria's best man at her wedding. So after the testimony of Joe Molina was out that Gloria cryingly had told him that the President had been shot, her experience as well as a Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles encounter inside the TSBD were added. Your finding a running Billy is confirmed by his testimony of I was doing a fast walk; trotting! Also Bill seems to be picking up his pace after Billy! Thank you for your helpful input! Sincerely yours, Michael

The question I was hoping you would answer was - when did the interaction between Shelley, Lovelady and Calvery take place?

The only answer that you can give, as I understand it, is that it happened before the clip which you believe shows Shelley and Lovelady.
This would have Shelley going out to where the traffic lights are, meeting with Calvery and following her back to the TSBD, Calvery telling Billy Lovelady about the shooting and Shelley/Lovelady walking a good distance down the Elm Street extension before Baker had even gotten off his bike.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but when do you believe the interaction between Shelley and Calvery, then Lovelady and Calvery took place?
Thank you so much for raising this fascinating topic