Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?

[Dan O'meara]

Bill is saying that he ran to the Grassy Knoll ----the "corner of the park". Notice he said ran! And Billy said a fast walk or trotting! The corner of the park is the Grassy Knoll by the concrete arcade where Billy thought the shots came from. It is not the concrete island; it is not Elm Street. It is what is pictured in Couch! There at the corner of the Grassy Knoll was Gloria in hysterics as witnessed by Officer Smith and Bill and Billy who are all down there. Molina met Gloria inside of the TSBD later in the lobby. The people on the steps are different people. Molina is still on the steps. He is the only one out of the group! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

Hey Michael, I believe the word is "wowser".
In your Reply#105 you were trying to sell the idea that the "Gloria Encounter" happened as she ran past "Shelley" and "Lovelady" in the Couch clip:

"I just went through the frames again, in this frame they are about to meet a lady, Gloria Calvery, they talk for awhile, then she continues on towards the entrance of the TSBD."

This was quickly dispelled.
In your Reply#138 you had decided the "Gloria Encounter" hadn't happened at all:

"I can only concede at this time that Billy and Bill did not encounter Gloria Calvery."

Now we have the encounter happening at the Grassy Knoll:

"There at the corner of the Grassy Knoll was Gloria in hysterics as witnessed by Officer Smith and Bill and Billy who are all down there."

Your approach to interpreting the evidence is "fluid", to say the least. I can't wait for the next installment.
As for the rest of your post, it's difficult to know where to begin:

Bill is saying that he ran to the Grassy Knoll ----the "corner of the park". Notice he said ran!

Except in the Couch clip "Shelley" is walking.
Shelley said he ran across the street before he met Gloria, he didn't say he walked down the street.

There at the corner of the Grassy Knoll was Gloria in hysterics as witnessed by Officer Smith and Bill and Billy who are all down there.

Except Shelley was on his own when he first encountered Gloria.

Officer Smith met Gloria as he was approaching the TSBD then "immediately proceeded" towards the "bushes" at the end of the Elm Street extension. You have him already in that area when he meets Gloria.

Lovelady was on the steps of the TSBD building when he first encountered Gloria.

"Molina met Gloria inside of the TSBD later in the lobby."

So Gloria and Hicks waited at the bottom of the steps until Molina returned, then decided to enter the TSBD building still hysterical about the assassination of JFK??

I'll stick with own interpretation of events if that's okay, I'm not really seeing anything in your theory I can get on board with.
All the best 

[Michael Welch]

Hey Michael, I believe the word is "wowser".
In your Reply#105 you were trying to sell the idea that the "Gloria Encounter" happened as she ran past "Shelley" and "Lovelady" in the Couch clip:

"I just went through the frames again, in this frame they are about to meet a lady, Gloria Calvery, they talk for awhile, then she continues on towards the entrance of the TSBD."

This was quickly dispelled.
In your Reply#138 you had decided the "Gloria Encounter" hadn't happened at all:

"I can only concede at this time that Billy and Bill did not encounter Gloria Calvery."

Now we have the encounter happening at the Grassy Knoll:

"There at the corner of the Grassy Knoll was Gloria in hysterics as witnessed by Officer Smith and Bill and Billy who are all down there."

Your approach to interpreting the evidence is "fluid", to say the least. I can't wait for the next installment.
As for the rest of your post, it's difficult to know where to begin:

Bill is saying that he ran to the Grassy Knoll ----the "corner of the park". Notice he said ran!

Except in the Couch clip "Shelley" is walking.
Shelley said he ran across the street before he met Gloria, he didn't say he walked down the street.

There at the corner of the Grassy Knoll was Gloria in hysterics as witnessed by Officer Smith and Bill and Billy who are all down there.

Except Shelley was on his own when he first encountered Gloria.

Officer Smith met Gloria as he was approaching the TSBD then "immediately proceeded" towards the "bushes" at the end of the Elm Street extension. You have him already in that area when he meets Gloria.

Lovelady was on the steps of the TSBD building when he first encountered Gloria.

"Molina met Gloria inside of the TSBD later in the lobby."

So Gloria and Hicks waited at the bottom of the steps until Molina returned, then decided to enter the TSBD building still hysterical about the assassination of JFK??

I'll stick with own interpretation of events if that's okay, I'm not really seeing anything in your theory I can get on board with.
All the best 

Hi Dan, I will always be fluid, and I will say I stand corrected immediately when corrected! Like I said before, you can see Bill picking up the pace after Billy starts running after Officer Smith. They all converged down by the concrete arcade by the picket fence where Gloria already was! As for Molina, he was always on the TSBD steps, so he did not return from anywhere! He met Gloria inside of the TSBD like he says in the lobby after Gloria had returned later! Thank you for all of your helpful valuable insights! Sincerely yours, Michael
   
Mr. SMITH. I didn’t know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet.
Mr. LIEBELER. An echo effect?
Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. [7H535]
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any basis for believing where the shots came from, or where to look for somebody, other than what the lady told you?
Mr. SMITH. No sir; except that maybe it was power of suggestion. But it sounded to me like they may have came from this vicinity here.
Mr. LIEBELER. Down around the—let’s put a No. 5 there [CE354] at the corner here behind this concrete structure where the bushes were down toward the railroad tracks from the Texas School Book Depository Building on the little street that runs down in front of the Texas School Book depository Building. [7H535]
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, you mentioned before there was echo from the shots in the area.
Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Probably caused by the fact that there are some large buildings around the area where the shots were fired from.
Mr. SMITH. Yes. [7H536]

[Zeon Mason]

Idk if this is anything, but  in Mr. Alan Fords Sept 16th post of slow motion from Darnell film, where Fords green arrow is pointing, a slender
 man with a solid tone long sleeve  shirt with hair similar to Oswald, (parted on the left side of head same way)  becomes revealed  among several women. He may be about 5’9” cause he’s not taller than any of the women.

The face dimension seems pretty close but maybe somebody else can show something to definitely rule one way or the other if this guy is Oswald or paste over a profile of Oswald to see how close it matches.

[Michael Welch]

Idk if this is anything, but  in Mr. Alan Fords Sept 16th post of slow motion from Darnell film, where Fords green arrow is pointing, a slender
 man with a solid tone long sleeve  shirt with hair similar to Oswald, (parted on the left side of head same way)  becomes revealed  among several women. He may be about 5’9” cause he’s not taller than any of the women.

The face dimension seems pretty close but maybe somebody else can show something to definitely rule one way or the other if this guy is Oswald or paste over a profile of Oswald to see how close it matches.

Hi Zeon, Here is some work done I think by Jake Sykes.






I just remembered that the man walking at the bottom of the TSBD steps was identified years ago as Robert MacNeil not Bill Shelley! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Alan Ford]

Idk if this is anything, but  in Mr. Alan Fords Sept 16th post of slow motion from Darnell film, where Fords green arrow is pointing, a slender
 man with a solid tone long sleeve  shirt with hair similar to Oswald, (parted on the left side of head same way)  becomes revealed  among several women. He may be about 5’9” cause he’s not taller than any of the women.

The face dimension seems pretty close but maybe somebody else can show something to definitely rule one way or the other if this guy is Oswald or paste over a profile of Oswald to see how close it matches.

Do you mean this man, Mr. Mason?



He's not Mr. Oswald. Here he is in Darnell:



During the motorcade he was out in the line of spectators by the street.

It was once thought by some he might be Mr. Shelley..........................but no!

[Dan O'meara]

Hi Zeon, Here is some work done I think by Jake Sykes.






I just remembered that the man walking at the bottom of the TSBD steps was identified years ago as Robert MacNeil not Bill Shelley! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

I just remembered that the man walking at the bottom of the TSBD steps was identified years ago as Robert MacNeil not Bill Shelley!

Hi Michael, I won't bother asking you to cite this unsubstantiated claim as it is completely bogus.
Whichever poor soul came up with that ID had zero knowledge of MacNeil's actual movements and it's a pity unsuspecting researchers such as yourself have been hoodwinked by this nonsense.
Just type into Google (or whatever browser) "JFK Robert MacNeil" and a large number of videos and articles appear concerning Robert MacNeil and the assassination.
In every single one of them MacNeil makes it clear that as soon as he gets off the bus he races up to the Grassy Knoll. After being there for a few minutes he heads for the TSBD building.
This absolutely refutes the bogus identification you are innocently proposing.

To be honest, it took me but a few seconds to find these videos and articles and I honestly think it's something you should consider doing before simply posting such easily refutable claims.
All the best 

LATER EDIT:




 
That's brilliant!!

[Charles Collins]

I just remembered that the man walking at the bottom of the TSBD steps was identified years ago as Robert MacNeil not Bill Shelley!

Hi Michael, I won't bother asking you to cite this unsubstantiated claim as it is completely bogus.
Whichever poor soul came up with that ID had zero knowledge of MacNeil's actual movements and it's a pity unsuspecting researchers such as yourself have been hoodwinked by this nonsense.
Just type into Google (or whatever browser) "JFK Robert MacNeil" and a large number of videos and articles appear concerning Robert MacNeil and the assassination.
In every single one of them MacNeil makes it clear that as soon as he gets off the bus he races up to the Grassy Knoll. After being there for a few minutes he heads for the TSBD building.
This absolutely refutes the bogus identification you are innocently proposing.

To be honest, it took me but a few seconds to find these videos and articles and I honestly think it's something you should consider doing before simply posting such easily refutable claims.
All the best 

LATER EDIT:




 
That's brilliant!!

Dan, am I remembering correctly that Robert MacNeil indicated that he thought that he encountered LHO in the lobby of the TSBD? If so, do we know what the time frame of the video in question is?