Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?

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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2023, 05:10:13 PM »
I agree, but you have to consider all available evidence rather than jumping to what you think a blurry “hairstyle” resembles. This “Lovelady” seems to have short sleeves.

Hi John, It is usually going to be more than this. First, you have Gerda identifying them. They physically look like Shelley and Lovelady. Then one wears brown; one wears possibly plaid. They are at the right place at the right time. They run into apparently Gloria Calvery. This is all on film. Have you found Shelley and Lovelady anywhere else? Thank you for your help! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2023, 05:40:10 PM »
Hi John, It is usually going to be more than this. First, you have Gerda identifying them. They physically look like Shelley and Lovelady. Then one wears brown; one wears possibly plaid. They are at the right place at the right time. They run into apparently Gloria Calvery. This is all on film. Have you found Shelley and Lovelady anywhere else? Thank you for your help! Sincerely yours, Michael

Hi Michael, I'm not in the habit of "finding" people in blurry images based on insufficient data.  I have a lot of respect for Gerda, but she didn't have any more evidence than you do.

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2023, 05:50:24 PM »
Hi Michael, I'm not in the habit of "finding" people in blurry images based on insufficient data.  I have a lot of respect for Gerda, but she didn't have any more evidence than you do.

Hi John, Please provide their location. Otherwise, what are you really accomplishing? Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael


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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2023, 06:20:59 PM »
Hi Brian, I hope you are doing well. I was sorry to read about the loss of your mother and your hurricane damage.
Here in the Darnell frame we have Prayer Man in his usual place and Sarah Stanton's face in the bottom left hand corner of the yellow rectangle. She is to Frazier's and Molina's bottom left. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael




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Hi Brian, I hope you are doing well. I was sorry to read about the loss of your mother and your hurricane damage.
Here in the Darnell frame we have Prayer Man in his usual place and Sarah Stanton's face in the bottom left hand corner of the yellow rectangle. She is to Frazier's and Molina's bottom left. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael


    The woman you are outlining is Pauline Sanders...That woman is to Frazier's left exactly as Sanders described...Sanders said she was to the east of the door and back against the glass divider and that is exactly where the woman you outlined was...That woman cannot be Stanton because her position allows her to see the limousine at the time of the shots...Stanton said she could not see the limousine at the time of the shots...One look at Prayer Man shows the west wall of the portal blocking Prayer Man's view of the limousine...

   You have no right to ignore my repeated (typed thousands of times) presentation that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height exactly...You can see this in comparison to Frazier in Darnell where Prayer Man comes up to Frazier's chin making Prayer Man Stanton's exact 5 foot 4 height...Murphy and the Prayer Man mob hijacked the JFK internet and deliberately avoided a simple height comparison and the research community fell for it...Thanks to Morissette, you can now see it in Owens where photogrammetry would match Stanton's height and features exactly to Prayer Man...Owens also shows an exact dress sleeve match...It's a cute post Mr Welch, but it doesn't answer any of the main damning evidence I've posted...Stancak found Sanders in Altgens 6 in between Lovelady & Shelley...Sanders is actually in the same position she is in the Darnell frame you link only Altgens' telephoto lens makes her look like she is standing in between them...Since there were only two women on the top platform, that forces Prayer Man to be Stanton (the person whom Davidson found Stanton's face on)...

  I've also noted that although every speck I type is held to extreme scrutiny, that Mr Welch's image shows a person with dark hair...So even though Mr Welch is alleging that woman is Stanton, I see none of the usual suspects coming in and attacking him for showing a putative Stanton with dark hair...That accusation is only reserved for me and is never applied to anyone else even though they are supposedly committing the same violation...What that tells you is the people making it don't really believe it and just use it as a dishonest wrench in the works...So Mr Welch has proven me correct one way or the other and my enemies have been hung by their own petard that they are not honest enough to answer or admit...I have basically taken on the entire JFK internet, had both hands tied behind my back with unfair banning, and still soundly beaten them...I'll tell you that it is a good feeling from my end to beat the Prayer Man mob while they think they are getting away with ignoring you...


Hi Brian, The lady has gray hair. Pauline Sanders is behind her to the left of Frazier on the very top in the East corner. Prayer Man remains in place. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2023, 06:26:46 PM »
Hi John, Please provide their location. Otherwise, what are you really accomplishing?

Reality. A wild guess stated with confidence is still a wild guess.

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2023, 06:51:07 PM »
Reality. A wild guess stated with confidence is still a wild guess.

Hi John, What is wild about it? There is evidence of both of them being there. Wild would be Oswald and Givens are walking towards the rail yard. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael


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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2023, 05:49:50 AM »
I have to say that it appears to me that Prayerman is NOT  Sarah Stanton and  Is NOT Pauline Sanders either.

That therefore returns the argument to the original theory that PM is Oswald because all other TSBD employees  are accounted for

Sanders probably remained exactly were she said she was , on the east side of the landing and Stanton who originally was standing beside an to the right of Sanders , probably MOVED because she was blocking the entrance door.

Where did she probably move too?

Moving to the west side corner would have been difficult because of several other  large MEN , like BWF and Mr Williams , who was himself kind of a fat guy, thereby making  it difficult for The 300 Stanton to squeeze thru them.

(Note: Oswald ,on the other hand , being only a 135 lb thin man could have more easily slipped behind Mr Williams to move to the west corner position , especially at 12:29 since Stanton had moved and she was no longer blocking the front door.)

Easiest fur Stanton to move was simply forward and down a few steps to a position just east of the center hand rail.

That position is where white shirt blob whom is raising both hands to shield the face  is in the Altgens 6 photo.

That position is right NEXT to Billy Lovelady albeit on the opposite side of the center handrail.

Lovelady located a woman he said
Worked on the 2nd floor NEXT   to himself ( in a new paper interview article) .

If PM were Stanton , she would  be BEHIND and NOT next to Lovelady.

Finally Frazier saying he looked to HIS left at Sarah, does NOT work with Sarah in PMs position.

It DOES work however where fluffy white shirt blob is in Altgens 6 photo.

As far the refutation of the theory PM =Oswald by assertion that a new version of Darnell film MUST be the more correct version than the old 2013 version, even though the “new” version is weirdly MORE distorted , I have to suggest some possibility of manipulation  going on, so I’m skeptical 🤨