A question about Oswald

[Richard Smith]

So, you can't answer my question. Got it!


There is no basis to conclude that Day "forgot" to report anything.

Except for the fact that he claims to have lifted the print on 11/22/63 and did not present it to anybody until 11/26/63. If he didn't forget to report the print, are you claiming he kept it back on purpose?

This is just a baseless claim.

For you, maybe, but only because you don't like it.

And EVEN if he did "forget" to report it as you stupidly assume, that in no way confirms that he fabricated the print taken from Oswald's rifle.  A delay in reporting the print doesn't mean by implication that it was fabricated.  That is tin foil hat nonsense.

It is indeed tin foil hat nonsense, and it's all coming from you. You are, once again, making stuff up and pretending I made such a claim.

But again, take this claim to the NY Times and tell them that you have demonstrated a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the crime.  Why bother with this forum if you believe you have demonstrated the print was fabricated?

Every time you get stuck, you bring out this NY Times BS. It is a sure sign that you know you've already lost the argument.

You claim that you have evidence of a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the crime of the century but won't make that case outside an Internet forum. 

Where did I claim to have evidence of a conspiracy to frame Oswald? The answer is of course; ONLY IN YOUR IMAGINATION! Stop making stuff up, will ya!

The real bottom line is that you don't have a clue about where Day got that print from. All you have is that he claims to have lifted it from the rifle and, as far as you are concerned, what this cop said is good enough for you. Never mind that he did held back a crucial piece of evidence for several days! There isn't an investigation in the world where such conduct by a forensic officer would be acceptable but for "Richard Smith" it not a problem at all..... Pathetic!

Laughable.  You claimed that Day didn't "report" the finding of Oswald's print for a week AND that somehow proves that he must have fabricated the print.  A completely baseless and absurd conclusion.  Compounded by the fact that you haven't even proven that Day didn't report it to someone.  How exactly is it holding back evidence to report the print in the very first week of the investigation? HA HA HA.  That one is a knee slapper.  Particularly given all that was going on including the murder of Oswald.   Can you demonstrate to us that Day's conduct, even as you have characterized it without knowing the facts, was outside the normal investigative process of the DPD in 1963?   Of course not. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Laughable.  You claimed that Day didn't "report" the finding of Oswald's print for a week AND that somehow proves that he must have fabricated the print.  A completely baseless and absurd conclusion.  Compounded by the fact that you haven't even proven that Day didn't report it to someone.  How exactly is it holding back evidence to report the print in the very first week of the investigation? HA HA HA.  That one is a knee slapper.  Particularly given all that was going on including the murder of Oswald.   Can you demonstrate to us that Day's conduct, even as you have characterized it without knowing the facts, was outside the normal investigative process of the DPD in 1963?   Of course not.

Answer the question I asked. Here it is again;

Day claimed to have lifted the print on 11/22/63 and did not present it to anybody until 11/26/63. If he didn't forget to report the print, are you claiming he kept it back on purpose?

You claimed that Day didn't "report" the finding of Oswald's print for a week AND that somehow proves that he must have fabricated the print.  A completely baseless and absurd conclusion.

Another false claim by "Richard Smith".... Stop lying. I never claimed anything of the kind. You just made it up.

How exactly is it holding back evidence to report the print in the very first week of the investigation? HA HA HA.

Hey stupid, all the evidence was supposed to be shipped to the FBI in Washington on Friday evening. That would also include an evidence card with a print on it.

Mr. DAY. On the bottom side of the barrel which was covered by the wood, I found traces of a palmprint. I dusted these and tried lifting them, the prints, with scotch tape in the usual manner. A faint palmprint came off. I could still see traces of the print under the barrel and was going to try to use photography to bring off or bring out a better print. About this time I received instructions from the chief's office to go no further with the processing, it was to be released to the FBI for them to complete. I did not process the underside of the barrel under the scopic sight, did not get to this area of the gun.

We know for a fact that Day's evidence card wasn't part of the evidence the FBI received. So, if Day didn't "forget" about it and did not hold it back, then what in the world was going on?.....

And there is more... if Day did in fact lift that print from the rifle on Friday afternoon, don't you think Captain Fritz, who at that time was interrogating Oswald, would have loved to have known about a positive match? Day had Oswald's prints on file by then and he could have easily determined if there was a match or not, but instead we are supposed to believe that he just lifted the print and then just put it in his desk's drawer despite to being told to hand over the evidence to the FBI.

In what alternate universe is it possible to consider this behavior part of "the normal investigative process of the DPD"?

Could it be, perhaps, just maybe that the evidence card simply did not yet exist?

[John Iacoletti]

Laughable.  You claimed that Day didn't "report" the finding of Oswald's print for a week AND that somehow proves that he must have fabricated the print. 

Strawman “Smith” strikes again. Martin made no such claim.

Can you demonstrate to us that Day's conduct, even as you have characterized it without knowing the facts, was outside the normal investigative process of the DPD in 1963?

Day was instructed to turn ALL the evidence over to the FBI that night, was he not?

[Charles Collins]

Strawman “Smith” strikes again. Martin made no such claim.

Day was instructed to turn ALL the evidence over to the FBI that night, was he not?

Carl Day “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 238:

Around 11:30 that night I received orders which merely said, “Release the rifle to the FBI.” Shortly thereafter I handed it over to Vince Drain of the FBI.

[Martin Weidmann]

Carl Day “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 238:

Around 11:30 that night I received orders which merely said, “Release the rifle to the FBI.” Shortly thereafter I handed it over to Vince Drain of the FBI.

That's not what he said in his WC testimony. Why you would want to ignore testimony under oath and go with a quote in a book is beyond me.

But even if that was true, he had already lifted the print from the rifle, right? So, why not check it against Oswald's prints instead of putting it in his desk drawer for several days?
It makes no sense.

[Alan Ford]

That's not what he said in his WC testimony. Why you would want to ignore testimony under oath and go with a quote in a book is beyond me.

It would seem Mr. Collins gives credence to some morphing memories after all!

[Charles Collins]

That's not what he said in his WC testimony. Why you would want to ignore testimony under oath and go with a quote in a book is beyond me.

But even if that was true, he had already lifted the print from the rifle, right? So, why not check it against Oswald's prints instead of putting it in his desk drawer for several days?
It makes no sense.

Same page as the above quote from “No More Silence” the paragraph just before that quote:

Before I got the picture made, another message came in: “Drop everything! Don’t do anything else!” It must have been 9:00 o’clock or later. “Drop everything! Don’t do anything else!” This came through my captain, Captain Doughty, but it probably came to him from Deputy Chief Lumpkin. So we didn’t complete what we were trying to do. I’d have probably been working on it all night if I’d had the time.