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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Walker Case
« Reply #126 on: July 09, 2023, 11:26:58 PM »
Shooting the president is not a rational act.  Therefore, there cannot be one tidy motive or explanation to explain it.  There were likely a host of political and physiological motivations that led Oswald to commit this act.  Some which were probably not known even to him.  He was an angry guy who wanted to be noticed. He had strong political beliefs.  He defected to the USSR.  JFK, as President, was representative of a society that marginalized Oswald and opposed his political system (Marxism).   He did not target JFK specifically.   He took advantage of a quirk of fate.  JFK's motorcade passed directly by his building.  I don't think he otherwise would ever have sought out and killed JFK.  But he shoots any person who is president under that circumstance.  If it had been Nixon, LBJ, or someone else riding by in the car as President of the United States, Oswald would have assassinated them.  It was a convergence of various factors.  The evidence proves beyond any doubt that he did so even if his motive can never be known with certainty.

Amazing what "Richard" actually thinks he "knows" about Oswald.

Not bad for a guy behind a keyboard who is making stuff up as he goes along....

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« Reply #127 on: July 10, 2023, 12:31:14 AM »
Shooting the president is not a rational act. 

In no way am I saying that I condone political violence but there can be rational arguments to justify assassinating heads of state in some circumstances.

The people who think Oswald was motivated by politics have failed to establish what he possibly hoped to achieve by assassinating JFK. Based on the testimony of Capt. Will Fritz, Oswald was aware that US policies towards Cuba were unlikely to change under Lyndon Johnson. So we can conclude that Oswald was politically savvy enough to know that assassinating JFK wouldn't have helped Fidel Castro.


There were likely a host of political and physiological motivations that led Oswald to commit this act.  Some which were probably not known even to him.

There's no evidence that Oswald suffered from mental illness or was experiencing a psychiatric episode at the time of the JFK assassination. What was most disturbing to the people who investigated Oswald after the assassination was how calm he was given the circumstances. No one claims that he acted erraticly at any point after he was in police custody after the assassination.

So it's difficult to conclude that he did it because he was suffering from some sort of mental condition at the time.
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« Reply #128 on: July 10, 2023, 02:11:14 AM »
Shooting the president is not a rational act.  Therefore, there cannot be one tidy motive or explanation to explain it.  There were likely a host of political and physiological motivations that led Oswald to commit this act.  Some which were probably not known even to him.  He was an angry guy who wanted to be noticed. He had strong political beliefs.  He defected to the USSR.  JFK, as President, was representative of a society that marginalized Oswald and opposed his political system (Marxism).   He did not target JFK specifically.   He took advantage of a quirk of fate.  JFK's motorcade passed directly by his building.  I don't think he otherwise would ever have sought out and killed JFK.  But he shoots any person who is president under that circumstance.  If it had been Nixon, LBJ, or someone else riding by in the car as President of the United States, Oswald would have assassinated them.  It was a convergence of various factors.  The evidence proves beyond any doubt that he did so even if his motive can never be known with certainty.

This is “Richard”-speak for “there’s no apparent motive, so I’ll just make one up. Because we know Oswald did it. Because reasons.”

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #129 on: July 10, 2023, 01:53:34 PM »
In no way am I saying that I condone political violence but there can be rational arguments to justify assassinating heads of state in some circumstances.

The people who think Oswald was motivated by politics have failed to establish what he possibly hoped to achieve by assassinating JFK. Based on the testimony of Capt. Will Fritz, Oswald was aware that US policies towards Cuba were unlikely to change under Lyndon Johnson. So we can conclude that Oswald was politically savvy enough to know that assassinating JFK wouldn't have helped Fidel Castro.


There's no evidence that Oswald suffered from mental illness or was experiencing a psychiatric episode at the time of the JFK assassination. What was most disturbing to the people who investigated Oswald after the assassination was how calm he was given the circumstances. No one claims that he acted erraticly at any point after he was in police custody after the assassination.

So it's difficult to conclude that he did it because he was suffering from some sort of mental condition at the time.

Let's leave it to his own wife to explain what happened:


What happened when Lee came home on the night of April 10,
1963?

Mrs. PORTER. He was very pale, as I said, and he was out of
breath, and I was asking, I mean asked him to explain about the
note
that he left for me, and asked him what happened, and he
said that he just tried to shoot General Walker
. I asked him who
General Walker was. I mean how dare you to go and claim somebody's life, and he said "Well, what would you say if somebody got
rid of Hitler at the right time?

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« Reply #130 on: July 10, 2023, 01:56:06 PM »
Let's leave it to his own wife to explain what happened:

Let’s not. Marina said a lot of things.

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« Reply #131 on: July 10, 2023, 02:06:39 PM »
Marina Oswald:  "he said that he just tried to shoot General Walker"

Pretty clear.  No reason to lie about this after Oswald was dead and the authorities were satisfied that he had assassinated JFK.  There was no need for Marina or anyone to falsely link Oswald to another crime at that point.  It is idiotic to suggest that is what happened.  And the tired, sad CTer trope that Marina can't be believed in this instance because in other instances she couldn't remember exact dates or tried to protect Oswald is laughable.  Oswald had recon photos of Walker's home, he left a note on the night of the attempt instructing Marina on what to do in case of his arrest or death, and then confessed the crime to her before it was known to the public.   It is an absolute slam dunk of guilt.  Absent a time machine, it is difficult to even think up what more evidence could exist than we have. 

Offline Jon Banks

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« Reply #132 on: July 10, 2023, 02:52:48 PM »
Let's leave it to his own wife to explain what happened:


What happened when Lee came home on the night of April 10,
1963?

Mrs. PORTER. He was very pale, as I said, and he was out of
breath, and I was asking, I mean asked him to explain about the
note
that he left for me, and asked him what happened, and he
said that he just tried to shoot General Walker
. I asked him who
General Walker was. I mean how dare you to go and claim somebody's life, and he said "Well, what would you say if somebody got
rid of Hitler at the right time?

She also claimed that Lee tried to kill Richard Nixon. The Warren Commission was unable to corroborate the details of her claim about Nixon and there's no direct evidence linking Oswald to the Walker shooting.

Marina was unreliable as a witness and desperation is the only reason to cite her testimony...