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Online John Mytton

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #154 on: August 11, 2023, 04:04:24 AM »

A witness who knew him placed him on a bus within minutes.

Yeah, right... a highly unreliable............


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Bledsoe's second day affidavit is way too accurate for random guesses.

Was it public knowledge that Oswald got on the Bus about Murphy Street?
Was it public knowledge that Oswald got off the Bus after a few blocks?
Was it public knowledge that while the bus was stuck in traffic at the same time as Oswald was on the Bus that a man said the President was shot?
Was it public knowledge that Oswald even caught a Bus?
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/bledsoe1.htm

And in Bledsoe's testimony she goes into detail about a woman who also got off at the same time as Oswald who wanted to get to the train station which along with the above Bledsoe recollections can be confirmed by cross referencing with Bus Driver McWatters testimony.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/bledsoe.htm
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/mcwatters.htm

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #155 on: August 11, 2023, 05:58:37 AM »
The contrarians would have us believe it was just a matter of bad luck that the one and only time of his marriage that he left his wedding ring at home was on the morning of Nov. 22.  Do they really believe this nonsense?  All the circumstances that link Oswald to the crimes over and over and over again are all just bad luck. 

How does leaving a ring behind “link Oswald to the crimes”? Talk about desperate.

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The contrarians attempt to compartmentalize the evidence as though each piece is independent of all the other evidence against him. 

What other evidence against him? You mean like a wedding ring? LOL.

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Oswald worked in the building from which JFK was assassinated.

You don’t know where JFK was assassinated from.

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He was one of the few people who we know was in the building at the moment the shots were fired. 

And how exactly do we “know” this if he was unaccounted for at the time? By the way, at least 15 other people were “in the building at the time”.

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Unlike most of the OTHER TSBD employees he was not in the presence of any of his coworkers who could provide him with an alibi. 

Neither were at least 5 other employees. But who says it had to be an employee?

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He also leaves his wedding ring at home for the very first time that very day.  Bad luck.  He also leaves his wife a large amount of money.  Bad luck.  All of this suggests some foreknowledge that he will not be returning when viewed in the totality of circumstances.

What it suggests is how desperate “Richard” is to label his overactive imagination “evidence”. Bad luck for “Richard” that it’s not.

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #156 on: August 11, 2023, 01:44:04 PM »



It's obvious that leaving his wedding ring at home that very day suggests foreknowledge that he would never be returning.

It's only obvious to an idiot like you. There is no way in the world that Oswald could predict that he would never be returning. He may have planned the murder, but he could not have planned it being executable or successful.

Ironically, the only way Oswald would need to be psychic is if he wasn't planning on assassinating the president and this was otherwise just another normal day

Why would he need to be psychic if it was going to be a normal day with him not planning on assassinating the President? It would be a normal day, right?

This is very simple.  If Oswald planned to assassinate the president of the United States in the presence of numerous law enforcement and secret service agents, he had good cause to know that he would never be coming home again.  He would either be arrested, killer, or on the run after that event.  The one thing he would never be doing is coming home again.  You believe he needed to be psychic to reach this conclusion?  That is unreal.  Even you can't believe that.  And your idiotic explanation that perhaps something might happen to preclude him from the attempt doesn't negate his decision to make the attempt.  If for some reason the opportunity hadn't arisen that day, he just returns home and collects his ring.  If asked, he just says he forgot it.  No one is the wiser.  This is not rocket science.  It's stunning to me that this all eludes you.  Leaving his wedding ring at home that morning - taken in the totality of all the events and circumstances - demonstrates foreknowledge that he would not be returning that day.  Guilty.

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« Reply #157 on: August 11, 2023, 02:20:20 PM »
This is very simple.  If Oswald planned to assassinate the president of the United States in the presence of numerous law enforcement and secret service agents, he had good cause to know that he would never be coming home again.  He would either be arrested, killer, or on the run after that event.  The one thing he would never be doing is coming home again.  You believe he needed to be psychic to reach this conclusion?  That is unreal.  Even you can't believe that.  And your idiotic explanation that perhaps something might happen to preclude him from the attempt doesn't negate his decision to make the attempt.  If for some reason the opportunity hadn't arisen that day, he just returns home and collects his ring.  If asked, he just says he forgot it.  No one is the wiser.  This is not rocket science.  It's stunning to me that this all eludes you.  Leaving his wedding ring at home that morning - taken in the totality of all the events and circumstances - demonstrates foreknowledge that he would not be returning that day.  Guilty.

He would either be arrested, killer, or on the run after that event.  The one thing he would never be doing is coming home again.

So, people who kill somebody never go home? Is that what you are saying?

If Oswald planned to assassinate the president of the United States in the presence of numerous law enforcement and secret service agents, he had good cause to know that he would never be coming home again.

If indeed

And your idiotic explanation that perhaps something might happen to preclude him from the attempt doesn't negate his decision to make the attempt.

Too bad you can't even prove that he made such a decision in the first place.

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #158 on: August 11, 2023, 02:53:47 PM »
He would either be arrested, killer, or on the run after that event.  The one thing he would never be doing is coming home again.

So, people who kill somebody never go home? Is that what you are saying?



No.  People who assassinate the president.  That entails death or arrest.  Are you really suggesting that someone could assassinate the president on a public street in the midst of law enforcement and secret service agents and expect to go home?  They would need "psychic" powers in your opinion to understand that it was incredibly risky with a likelihood of death or arrest.  Wow.  Can you cite some examples of presidential assassins who returned home?  Almost all of them were apprehended at the scene.  Booth - like Oswald - managed to escape arrest at the scene and made a run for it.  It's unreal that you are arguing that Oswald would not expect to be arrested or killed on Nov. 22 if he planned to assassinate the president that day.  I've read some far out conspiracy theories on this forum and some really idiotic claims but this one is an outlier even by those low standards. 

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2023, 03:50:22 PM »
This is very simple.

Your “I imagined it, therefore it’s true” arguments are indeed simple. I’ll give you that.

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« Reply #160 on: August 11, 2023, 09:25:39 PM »
No.  People who assassinate the president.  That entails death or arrest.  Are you really suggesting that someone could assassinate the president on a public street in the midst of law enforcement and secret service agents and expect to go home?  They would need "psychic" powers in your opinion to understand that it was incredibly risky with a likelihood of death or arrest.  Wow.  Can you cite some examples of presidential assassins who returned home?  Almost all of them were apprehended at the scene.  Booth - like Oswald - managed to escape arrest at the scene and made a run for it.  It's unreal that you are arguing that Oswald would not expect to be arrested or killed on Nov. 22 if he planned to assassinate the president that day.  I've read some far out conspiracy theories on this forum and some really idiotic claims but this one is an outlier even by those low standards.

They would need "psychic" powers in your opinion to understand that it was incredibly risky with a likelihood of death or arrest.  Wow.

I never said that. You just made that up. Of course killing the President would be risky, and Oswald, if he wanted to kill Kennedy, would probably have understood that, but that's not what you claimed. You said;


Oswald knew that assassinating the president carried with it his death or arrest.  That is why he left his wedding ring and most of his money with his wife.  He wasn't ever coming back. He could not have escaped after committing that crime. 


and that's simply not true. Oswald could not have known that with certainty, when he left his wedding ring behind.

As per usual your entire "logic" is flawed. Why? Because if it wasn't Oswald who killed Kennedy, then somebody else did and that person most likely simply went home.