Time for Truth

[John Iacoletti]

See the common theme here? No matter what Oswald did, it is exactly what a murderer would do, and the evidence for that is because that’s what “the murderer” did.

[Richard Smith]

The contrarians would have us believe it was just a matter of bad luck that the one and only time of his marriage that he left his wedding ring at home was on the morning of Nov. 22.  Do they really believe this nonsense?  All the circumstances that link Oswald to the crimes over and over and over again are all just bad luck.  The contrarians attempt to compartmentalize the evidence as though each piece is independent of all the other evidence against him.  Oswald worked in the building from which JFK was assassinated.  He was one of the few people who we know was in the building at the moment the shots were fired.  Unlike most of the OTHER TSBD employees, Oswald was in the building at the moment the shots were fired.  Unlike most of the OTHER TSBD employees he was not in the presence of any of his coworkers who could provide him with an alibi.  All those folks can be eliminated as suspects.  So we very quickly place Oswald in a small subset of the TSBD employees as the possible assassin.  Only a handful of folks were in the building.  He is one of them.  What terrible luck for him. How many TSBD employees who were IN the building took off within minutes of the assassination not to return?  Some who were OUTSIDE the building were blocked from reentering, but Oswald was IN the TSBD and left for good.  To compare those two situations as though they are the same highlights the lengths these contrarians will go to exonerate Oswald.

He also leaves his wedding ring at home for the very first time that very day.  Bad luck.  He also leaves his wife a large amount of money.  Bad luck.  All of this suggests some foreknowledge that he will not be returning when viewed in the totality of circumstances.  Why?  Because he didn't just leave his wedding ring at home as contrarians frame this.  He did so for the first and only time on the very same day he was arrested for murder.  He carries a long package that very morning from the location where his own wife indicates he kept a rifle.  Bad luck.  A bag with his prints is found next to the location from which witnesses saw a rifle pointed at JFK at the moment of the assassination.  Terrible luck.  He is the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the very boxes in the SN.  What bad luck.  He decides to knock off for the day and gets his gun.  He passes the vicinity of the Tippit murder on his way to the movies and looks so much like the shooter that multiple witnesses place him at the scene with his gun.  He has the same two brands of ammo in his possession used to kill Tippit.  What are the chances? But it's more just bad luck. 

[Martin Weidmann]

The contrarians would have us believe it was just a matter of bad luck that the one and only time of his marriage that he left his wedding ring at home was on the morning of Nov. 22.  Do they really believe this nonsense?  All the circumstances that link Oswald to the crimes over and over and over again are all just bad luck.  The contrarians attempt to compartmentalize the evidence as though each piece is independent of all the other evidence against him.  Oswald worked in the building from which JFK was assassinated.  He was one of the few people who we know was in the building at the moment the shots were fired.  Unlike most of the OTHER TSBD employees, Oswald was in the building at the moment the shots were fired.  Unlike most of the OTHER TSBD employees he was not in the presence of any of his coworkers who could provide him with an alibi.  All those folks can be eliminated as suspects.  So we very quickly place Oswald in a small subset of the TSBD employees as the possible assassin.  Only a handful of folks were in the building.  He is one of them.  What terrible luck for him. How many TSBD employees who were IN the building took off within minutes of the assassination not to return?  Some who were OUTSIDE the building were blocked from reentering, but Oswald was IN the TSBD and left for good.  To compare those two situations as though they are the same highlights the lengths these contrarians will go to exonerate Oswald.

He also leaves his wedding ring at home for the very first time that very day.  Bad luck.  He also leaves his wife a large amount of money.  Bad luck.  All of this suggests some foreknowledge that he will not be returning when viewed in the totality of circumstances.  Why?  Because he didn't just leave his wedding ring at home as contrarians frame this.  He did so for the first and only time on the very same day he was arrested for murder.  He carries a long package that very morning from the location where his own wife indicates he kept a rifle.  Bad luck.  A bag with his prints is found next to the location from which witnesses saw a rifle pointed at JFK at the moment of the assassination.  Terrible luck.  He is the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the very boxes in the SN.  What bad luck.  He decides to knock off for the day and gets his gun.  He passes the vicinity of the Tippit murder on his way to the movies and looks so much like the shooter that multiple witnesses place him at the scene with his gun.  He has the same two brands of ammo in his possession used to kill Tippit.  What are the chances? But it's more just bad luck.

The contrarians would have us believe it was just a matter of bad luck that the one and only time of his marriage that he left his wedding ring at home was on the morning of Nov. 22.

A marriage can only end once. Marina and Ruth Paine both testified they believed Oswald came to Irving on Thursday to save his marriage. When Marina refused to live with him again, he concluded that his marriage was over and left his ring and money for the kids behind. Not really an occurrence that happens more than once.

Oswald worked in the building from which JFK was assassinated.  He was one of the few people who we know was in the building at the moment the shots were fired.

Indeed, one of the few people we know

So we very quickly place Oswald in a small subset of the TSBD employees as the possible assassin.

How do you know that the assassin must have been a TSBD employee?

Only a handful of folks were in the building.  He is one of them.

Who are the others?

How many TSBD employees who were IN the building took off within minutes of the assassination not to return?  Some who were OUTSIDE the building were blocked from reentering, but Oswald was IN the TSBD and left for good.

That's what the official story says, but there is no real evidence for it that Oswald left "within minutes not to return"

He also leaves his wedding ring at home for the very first time that very day.  Bad luck.  He also leaves his wife a large amount of money.  Bad luck.  All of this suggests some foreknowledge that he will not be returning when viewed in the totality of circumstances.

Maybe, but only when the "totality of circumstances" is in fact what really happened. You keep on assuming that the WC story is true, when in fact most of it is conjecture based on very little and conflicting evidence.

He did so for the first and only time on the very same day he was arrested for murder.

So, he left his ring because he knew he was going to be arrested for murder? Is that what you are saying? Was Oswald psychic?

He carries a long package that very morning from the location where his own wife indicates he kept a rifle.

So many misrepresentation to unpack here. Yes he left Irving carrying a package, which according to the descriptions of the only two witnesses who saw it, could not have contained a broken down rifle. A broken down carcano doesn't fit between the cup of Oswald's hand and his shoulder. And Marina never indicated Lee kept a rifle in the garage. At best, she only saw a rifle (or the wooden stock of one) once, in late September, just after leaving New Orleans. She had no knowledge if there was still a rifle in the garage on 11/21/63. She also could only assume that the rifle she had seen in late September belonged to Oswald, since she never talked to him about it.

A bag with his prints is found next to the location from which witnesses saw a rifle pointed at JFK at the moment of the assassination.

That's what some police officers said, but others didn't see it and there is no in situ photograph of it. They claimed the bag was folded up, but when it was carried out the TSBD it was unfolded and held upside down. What was in it, to keep it upright and how could fibers similar to those of the blanket still be in there? Also, that bag was made from TSBD materials and had to have been made at the TSBD. This means Oswald must have made it and taken it to Irving, but nobody ever saw him near the wrapping paper machines and Frazier did not see Oswald carry a folded up bag with him to Irving. Too many unanswered questions to reach any conclusion about that bag.

He is the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the very boxes in the SN.

So, that fact that other prints also found on the boxes were not identified makes Oswald guilty because his prints were identified? Is that your what you are saying?

He passes the vicinity of the Tippit murder on his way to the movies

Are you for real?

looks so much like the shooter that multiple witnesses place him at the scene with his gun.

Which gun was that? The one for which there is no chain of custody and Hill apparently walked around with for several hours or the one Oswald said he bought in Fort Worth?

What are the chances?

What are the chances that you would tell a story honestly, rather than concocting are weak circumstantial prosecutorial fairytale for which you lack credible evidence?

[Richard Smith]

The contrarians would have us believe it was just a matter of bad luck that the one and only time of his marriage that he left his wedding ring at home was on the morning of Nov. 22.

A marriage can only end once. Marina and Ruth Paine both testified they believed Oswald came to Irving on Thursday to save his marriage. When Marina refused to live with him again, he concluded that his marriage was over and left his ring and money for the kids behind. Not really an occurrence that happens more than once.

So much contrarian "logic" and false premises, but just to highlight a couple.  There is no indication that Oswald intended to end his marriage on Nov. 22 and that was the explanation for his leaving his wedding ring at home on that particular day.  And think about how improbable this coincidence would be.  Playing exactly into the "bad luck" line of events that contrarians peddle.  LOL.  In fact, what Oswald told Marina is that he wanted to return living with her.  Not that he was ending the marriage. But this is the classic "bad luck" claim.  It was just "bad luck" that this happened on Nov. 22 according to the contrarian apologist for Oswald.  And talk about reading minds!!!  Suddenly Martin can say what Oswald concluded.  Where is the disclaimer that this is only his "opinion."  Comedy gold.  That one is a real keeper.

[Richard Smith]

How many TSBD employees who were IN the building took off within minutes of the assassination not to return?  Some who were OUTSIDE the building were blocked from reentering, but Oswald was IN the TSBD and left for good.

That's what the official story says, but there is no real evidence for it that Oswald left "within minutes not to return"

There is "no real evidence" that Oswald left the TSBD within minutes not to return?  A witness who knew him placed him on a bus within minutes.  A cab driver drove him to his boardinghouse a few minutes later.  He was seen at his boardinghouse a few miles from the TSBD around 1PM.  How does he get there by then without a car unless he leaves the TSBD within minutes of the assassination at 12:30.?  But there is "no real evidence" of this?

[Richard Smith]

He did so for the first and only time on the very same day he was arrested for murder.

So, he left his ring because he knew he was going to be arrested for murder? Is that what you are saying? Was Oswald psychic?

This is possibly one of the dumbest posts in the history of this forum.  You think Oswald needed to be psychic to understand that if he assassinated the president that day that he would be arrested or killed and never return home?  If you were to list the acts that would lead to arrest or death, then assassinating the president would be at the top of that list.  Even if he managed to evade arrest and get out of Dallas, he was never going home again.  It's obvious that leaving his wedding ring at home that very day suggests foreknowledge that he would never be returning.  Ironically, the only way Oswald would need to be psychic is if he wasn't planning on assassinating the president and this was otherwise just another normal day for him in which he had no obvious reason to contemplate never coming home.

[Martin Weidmann]

So much contrarian "logic" and false premises, but just to highlight a couple.  There is no indication that Oswald intended to end his marriage on Nov. 22 and that was the explanation for his leaving his wedding ring at home on that particular day.  And think about how improbable this coincidence would be.  Playing exactly into the "bad luck" line of events that contrarians peddle.  LOL.  In fact, what Oswald told Marina is that he wanted to return living with her.  Not that he was ending the marriage. But this is the classic "bad luck" claim.  It was just "bad luck" that this happened on Nov. 22 according to the contrarian apologist for Oswald.  And talk about reading minds!!!  Suddenly Martin can say what Oswald concluded.  Where is the disclaimer that this is only his "opinion."  Comedy gold.  That one is a real keeper.

There is no indication that Oswald intended to end his marriage on Nov. 22 and that was the explanation for his leaving his wedding ring at home on that particular day.

Misrepresentation 101. Nobody said that Oswald intended to end his marriage. In fact the opposite is true. According to Marina and Ruth Paine he came to Irving to save his marriage, by asking Marina to live with him again. When she refused he concluded his marriage was over. What else should he have concluded?

And talk about reading minds!!! Suddenly Martin can say what Oswald concluded.

If you can constantly do it, so can I. Except a guy leaving his wedding ring and some money for the kids behind because he believed his marriage was over is far more likely than leaving his wedding ring behind because he somehow knew he was going to be arrested for murder.

Where is the disclaimer that this is only his "opinion." 

It's not my opinion. It's Marina's opinion. I can't help it if you don't know the evidence.

There is "no real evidence" that Oswald left the TSBD within minutes not to return?  A witness who knew him placed him on a bus within minutes.  A cab driver drove him to his boardinghouse a few minutes later.  He was seen at his boardinghouse a few miles from the TSBD around 1PM.  How does he get there by then without a car unless he leaves the TSBD within minutes of the assassination at 12:30.?  But there is "no real evidence" of this?

A witness who knew him placed him on a bus within minutes.

Yeah, right... a highly unreliable "witness" didn't even remember the day it supposedly happened;

Mr. BALL - Now, when did you see Oswald again?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I went down to the parade. Oh, when was the parade? The 22d of---the next---22d of February---when was the parade?
Mr. BALL - The 22d of November the President came to Dallas.

and, although she didn't look at him, saw a hole in a sleeve his shirt that can not be seen on any photograph taken after Oswald's arrest. Out of hundreds, if not thousands, photos not one shows a hole in one of the sleeve!

Mrs. BLEDSOE - And, after we got past Akard, at Murphy---I figured it out. Let's see. I don't know for sure. Oswald got on. He looks like a maniac. His sleeve was out here [indicating]. His shirt was undone.
Mr. BALL - You are indicating a sleeve of a shirt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Was a hole in it, hole, and he was dirty, and I didn't look at him. I didn't want to know 1 even seen him, and I just looked off,

And then there is this mess;

Mr. BALL - Yes. You tell me what do you see here? What permits you to recognize it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I recognize---first thing I notice the elbow is out and then I saw---when the man brought it out and let me see it?
Mr. BALL - No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now, and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is it"?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is the one he had out there that day?
Mr. BALL - Who had it out there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Some Secret Service man.
Mr. BALL - He brought it out. Now, I am---you have seen this shirt then before?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.
Mr. BALL - Who had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald.
Mr. BALL - Oswald had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald had it on.
Mr. BALL - Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What is there about it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this [indicating]? I remember that.
Mr. BALL - Tell me what you see there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---that is part I recognize more than anything.
Mr. BALL - You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - What about the color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I---What do you mean?
Mr. BALL - Well----
Mrs. BLEDSOE - When he had it on?
Mr. BALL - Yes.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Before he was shot? Yes; I remember it being brown.
Mr. BALL - You remember the shirt being brown. Was it this color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; it was that color.
Mr. BALL - In other words, when you remember that you have seen something before---
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - In order to convince me that you did see it before you've got to tell me what there is about it that is the same, you see. Now, you try to convince me, or tell me why it is that you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when you saw him on the bus?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I would say it was. That hole---
Mr. BALL - Mostly the hole in the right sleeve?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

She remembers mostly a hole in the right sleeve of a shirt that a Secret Service man (actually it was an FBI agent) showed her at her home.... A hole that wasn't there when Oswald was photographed after his arrest...

A cab driver drove him to his boardinghouse a few minutes later.

A cab driver who said the man he drove was wearing two jackets, when Oswald is supposed to have left the TSBD without a jacket. Just how well does a cab drive observe the person his is driving somewhere?

He was seen at his boardinghouse a few miles from the TSBD around 1PM. 

This is true. That's what Earlene Roberts said.

How does he get there by then without a car unless he leaves the TSBD within minutes of the assassination at 12:30.?

Maybe by car.... like the Rambler that was seen by several witnesses picking up somebody coming down the grassy knoll?

Oswald seems to have had magical powers to get down the stairs of the TSBD unseen by 12 persons in 75 seconds after the last shot, and get from the roominghouse to 10th street in less than 11 minutes (which can not be done walking) so why can't he have used his magic in getting to the roominghouse as well?

You may be too dumb to understand this, but this is one of those things that makes the official fairytale fall apart.

But there is "no real evidence" of this?

Indeed... the "evidence" you've got is pretty pathetic.

This is possibly one of the dumbest posts in the history of this forum.  You think Oswald needed to be psychic to understand that if he assassinated the president that day that he would be arrested or killed and never return home?  If you were to list the acts that would lead to arrest or death, then assassinating the president would be at the top of that list.  Even if he managed to evade arrest and get out of Dallas, he was never going home again.  It's obvious that leaving his wedding ring at home that very day suggests foreknowledge that he would never be returning.  Ironically, the only way Oswald would need to be psychic is if he wasn't planning on assassinating the president and this was otherwise just another normal day for him in which he had no obvious reason to contemplate never coming home.

You think Oswald needed to be psychic to understand that if he assassinated the president that day that he would be arrested or killed and never return home?

So, you are saying that when he left his wedding ring behind, Oswald knew, he would assassinate later that day? Let's assume for a second that Oswald did indeed want to kill Kennedy; what if he didn't get an opportunity to take a shot? What if the limo passed the building on schedule, and he wasn't in the sniper's nest?

It's obvious that leaving his wedding ring at home that very day suggests foreknowledge that he would never be returning.

It's only obvious to an idiot like you. There is no way in the world that Oswald could predict that he would never be returning. He may have planned the murder, but he could not have planned it being executable or successful.

Ironically, the only way Oswald would need to be psychic is if he wasn't planning on assassinating the president and this was otherwise just another normal day

Why would he need to be psychic if it was going to be a normal day with him not planning on assassinating the President? It would be a normal day, right?