A Rock Solid Alibi.....

[Walt Cakebread]

I don’t have a problem saying that there is a possibility that both of them might not have noticed. But if you believe that that is possible, then you really should admit that Dorothy Garner could have not noticed too.

Apples and oranges.

Garner was standing directly next to the stairs. West and Piper were some distance away and unaware something was going on until police started to come into the building.

It's utterly dishonest to compare the two situations as if they were equal. West and Piper also did not notice Jarman and Norman as well as Adams and Styles and we know for a fact all four were in fact in the same area where Oswald would have walked.

Excellent rebuttal, Martin.  Thanks for saving me from having to respond....

[Martin Weidmann]

Excellent rebuttal, Martin.  Thanks for saving me from having to respond....

Well, you still might, because Charles has said he won't be reading my posts anymore.

That will not stop me from posting and replying to his obvious attempt to take the sting out of Dorothy Garner not seeing Oswald.

[Walt Cakebread]

Well, you still might, because Charles has said he won't be reading my posts anymore.

That will not stop me from posting and replying to his obvious attempt to take the sting out of Dorothy Garner not seeing Oswald.

If Charlie persists .... I'll just copy your response and post it, because I can't improve on your rebuttal.

[Walt Cakebread]

Okay, I found out where this area is located by reading the WC testimony of Troy Eugene West. It is about the middle of the west wall of the first floor. It is where the wrapping machine that West used to wrap the packages is located.

So, I have another question for anyone who subscribes to the idea that LHO was in the domino room when the shots were fired.

In order to get to the second floor break room where Truly and Baker encountered him, LHO would have had to leave the domino room, and walk across the first floor to the stairs. This would have had to occur immediately after the shots were fired in order for the timing to work out. However, both Eddie Piper and Troy Eugene West were on the first floor, but neither one saw LHO do this trek across the first floor at that time. West was at his work station, and Piper was on his way toward West’s work station. Is there some legitimate reason why these two men wouldn’t have seen LHO walking across the first floor at this time? Just asking…

In order to get to the second floor break room where Truly and Baker encountered him, LHO would have had to leave the domino room, and walk across the first floor to the stairs. This would have had to occur immediately after the shots were fired in order for the timing to work out.

What do you mean by "In order for the timing to work out"?

[Jerry Freeman]

One particular thought is not only what Ms Garner might have seen but also what she could have probably heard.
The trek from the domino room to the stairs would be about 80 feet. That should be easily done in 30 secs. No big feat for someone
who allegedly walked 6 [250 ft] blks in 5 minutes or less right?

[Martin Weidmann]

In order to get to the second floor break room where Truly and Baker encountered him, LHO would have had to leave the domino room, and walk across the first floor to the stairs. This would have had to occur immediately after the shots were fired in order for the timing to work out.

What do you mean by "In order for the timing to work out"?

It is nonsense. Oswald could have gone up to the 2nd floor lunchroom shortly before the shots were fired. I suppose this is where the bottle of Coke comes in. IIRC, Baker initially said that Oswald had the bottle in his hand, which means he had already been in the lunchroom long enough to operate the vendingmachine before Baker encountered him.

But that doesn't sit well for the 6th floor scenario and it would reduce the available time for Oswald to get to the lunchroom even further. That's why Baker scratched out the mentioning of the Coke bottle in his second affidavit. Without the bottle, he could claim he saw Oswald walk away from the dividing door, which of course would suggest he had just arrived there.

[Charles Collins]

In order to get to the second floor break room where Truly and Baker encountered him, LHO would have had to leave the domino room, and walk across the first floor to the stairs. This would have had to occur immediately after the shots were fired in order for the timing to work out.

What do you mean by "In order for the timing to work out"?

Baker and Truly were in the building and crossing the first floor towards the elevators/stairs within seconds of the shots. If LHO were actually in the domino room when the shots were fired then he would have had to leave the domino room immediately after the shots in order to be in the second floor lunchroom when Baker and Truly arrived on the second floor.