Progress... Have we made any ?.....

[Jim Hawthorn]

As all LNers know, the problem with Oswald being on the first floor around 12:25pm is that Arnold Rowland had spotted the man with the rifle on the 6th floor ten minutes earlier.

Lee just loved going up and down that lift (naughty boy).

[John Iacoletti]

You're asking to defend some loon's idea that Oswald was in the lunchroom minutes before the assassination, when no LNer even promoted anything so ludicrous? And somehow it now takes Oswald two minutes to get through the lunchroom door (he can't leave the lunchroom closer to the alleged 12:25 time when Norman/Jarman went into the building?).

Where do you get 12:25? And how does he get back up to the sixth floor while Norman, Jarman, and Williams are going to their spots on the fifth floor without any of them seeing or hearing him? And who did Rowland see at 12:15?

Why would Oswald care if anyone was on the stairs or even on the sixth floor when he went there? If they weren't in the Sniper's Nest, then no problem. He left his prints all over the SN

  You don’t know when those prints were put on those boxes.

and on the rifle he owned and left behind.

- you don’t know he owned it
- you don’t know he left it behind
- there were prints in the trigger guard area that were insufficient for identification purposes and a single partial palmprint showed up a week later on an index card

He was no doubt surprised he got out of the building alive. To celebrate his lease on life, Ol' Os' done went and murdered a policeman

Cool story, bro.

[Bill Chapman]

As all LNers know, the problem with Oswald being on the first floor around 12:25pm is that Arnold Rowland had spotted the man with the rifle on the 6th floor ten minutes earlier.

Would you bet the farm on Rowiand?
I'd wager that his wife wouldn't

[Jim Hawthorn]

Why would Oswald care if anyone was on the stairs or even on the sixth floor when he went there? If they weren't in the Sniper's Nest, then no problem.

Nonsense. He was down in the Domino room and for all he knew, anybody could have been up on the 6th floor at that moment! You have him going up there with that in mind, after having planned the assassination in a calculated way. You have Oswald casually going up to the 6th floor, simply hoping (or not caring) that people might see him on the stairs or in the lift or arriving on the 6th to take up position. Christ, you'll really stretch things into a looney universe in order to hang on to your unworkabe lone nut theory.

[Jim Hawthorn]

"Looney universe" is when someone turns a CT theory (Oswald in the Domino Room at 12:25/26) into an LN theory. Then they take the four minutes between the alleged sighting of Norman/Jarman on the first floor and the shooting, and magically condense it to two minutes.

Than throw in Arnold Rowland's incredible claims and Oswald's "zooming" downstairs. Like such myth-spinning and dramatics would substitute for the "Warren Report" and books like "Case Closed", "JFK First Day Evidence" and "Reclaiming History"?

2 minutes, 4 minutes, 5 minutes whatever - if he was a calculated gunman, Oswald simply wouldn't go up to the 6th floor and expect the lift, the stairs or the floor to be empty. He was in the Domino Room the whole time obviously.

[John Iacoletti]

"Looney universe" is when someone turns a CT theory (Oswald in the Domino Room at 12:25/26) into an LN theory. Then they take the four minutes between the alleged sighting of Norman/Jarman on the first floor and the shooting, and magically condense it to two minutes.

Norman testified that he and Jarman didn’t return to the building until after they got word that the motorcade was on Main. If you believe that the timestamps on the police radio transcripts are accurate (and what WC evangelist doesn’t) then that didn’t happen until 12:28.

[Dan O'meara]

Would you bet the farm on Rowiand?
I'd wager that his wife wouldn't

Barbara Rowland confirms that Arnold was telling his story about the man with the rifle on the 6th floor 15 minutes before the motorcade.
At least four law enforcement officers confirm that, in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, Rowland told them about the man with the rifle.

If you want to leave yourself in the ridiculous position of believing that Rowland made up a story about a man on the 6th floor holding a scoped rifle and that, by some miraculous coincidence, there was a man with a scoped rifle on the 6th floor. go right ahead.
If you want to believe Rowland's description of the man just happens to be the same as three other eye witnesses, then go right ahead.

You are clearly a believer in the "Miracle on Elm Street".
I, clearly, am not.