Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

[John Iacoletti]

As Alan points out, there is no good reason to assume the two figures walking west on the Elm extension are Shelly and Lovelady. They don’t even appear to be walking together as one is walking faster and passes the other.

But there is even less reason to assume that the figure on the steps in black is Gloria Calvery.

[Alan Ford]

From an 11/23/63 newspaper report, based on remarks by Chief Curry 11/22:




I suggest that this "immediate" leaving of the building refers to Mr Oswald's initial dash off the steps with Mr Shelley in front, within seconds of the last shot ringing out.

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From another 11/23 newspaper report, again based on information given out 11/22:



I suggest that this refers to a different, later (ca. 10 mins post-assassination) sighting of Mr Oswald------------------------several minutes after he and Mr Shelley had RE-ENTERED the building via the west door

 

[Alan Ford]

Houston Post, 11/23

Does this sound like Mr Lovelady accompanied Mr Shelley down to the railroad yard?



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And does this sound like Mr Lovelady accompanied Mr Shelley down to the railroad yard?

Mr James Jarman to HSCA: "Oswald was coming out the door and [Lovelady] said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building, Billy Lovelady said that Mr. Truly told the policemen that Oswald was alright, that he worked there, so Oswald walked on down the stairs."

Was Mr Jarman hallucinating a conversation with Mr Lovelady in which Mr Lovelady told him he was standing on the front steps and saw Mr Oswald have this encounter with an officer?

[Alan Ford]

Friends, I submit that all this has a simple solution:

Mr Oswald left the building twice after the assassination-----------------------------

FIRST: Immediately after the shots rang out (when he followed Mr Shelley off the steps)

SECOND: Several minutes later (when he was stopped at the front door by an officer but vouched for by Mr Truly)

Mr Shelley, for all his blatant lies, indirectly gives us the key to a crucial riddle:
Mr Oswald re-entered the building by the west door

Mr Lovelady played no role in either exit, other than that of eyewitness.

His resemblance to Mr Oswald, however, meant that he got dragged into a baloney story about being the man who accompanied Mr Shelley out front, then to the railroad yard, and then back into the building.

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At some point in between Mr Oswald's two exits from the building, he was noticed in the small storage room near the domino room on the first floor. This was after Officer Baker & Mr Truly had come back down from the roof-------------------i.e. around the time of this scene:



 

[Alan Ford]

Since 2019, we know what Mr Oswald actually said in his first interrogation about the minutes leading up to the motorcade:



In the joint interrogation report of Agents Bookhout & Hosty, the danger posed by Mr Oswald's account is craftily minimized through carefully time-scrambling and vague wording:



But the craftiness doesn't end there!

Mr Oswald also spoke in that interrogation of time spent with Mr Bill Shelley. However! Mr Shelley does not merit ANY mention in that first official report. Nor does an encounter with a cop and Mr Truly which Mr Oswald has related. These things are simply being suppressed.

It is only once the 'investigating' authorities have agreed on a viable fairy tale story, that Mr Shelley---------and the cop/Truly encounter----------can finally be mentioned in a way that is non-fatal to the case against Mr Oswald. Cue Agent Bookhout's solo report:



On the scenario I have been outlining in this thread, what we are finally seeing 'included' here is
a) Mr Oswald's description of standing around with Bill Shelley for several minutes over by the railroad yards
b) Mr Oswald's account of his later cop/Truly encounter
---------------but ruthlessly twisted out of all context.

 

[Alan Ford]

So!

The 'investigating' authorities know that Mr Oswald has an iron-clad alibi.

Mr Lovelady pretends---------or rather: is told by the 'investigating' authorities to pretend----------that he was the man who accompanied Mr Shelley off those steps, out to the concrete divider, and over west to the first railroad track.

But the worst case scenario is always possible: a photograph/film clearly putting Mr Oswald and no one else outside with Mr Shelley. Such that the 'It's Lovelady' line just doesn't wash.

Preemptive solution? Get Messrs Shelley & Lovelady to estimate that they didn't leave the front steps until 3-4 minutes after the shooting.

Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately 3 minutes, I would say.
Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.

Quite ridiculous, of course, but it means that not even Mr Oswald showing up outside would exonerate him. He would have had time to fire the shots, make it down to the lunchroom for his encounter with Baker/Truly, and then leave the building.

As for what Mr Shelley would say in response to the emergence of an undeniable image of Mr Oswald away from the steps (e.g. on concrete street divider; on dead-end street; over west by first railroad track)? 'With all the excitement, I just didn't notice him there. But Billy was definitely there with me, he must be somewhere out of shot in this particular photo/film.'

Fairy-tale saved! 

[Dan O'meara]

As Alan points out, there is no good reason to assume the two figures walking west on the Elm extension are Shelly and Lovelady. They don’t even appear to be walking together as one is walking faster and passes the other.

But there is even less reason to assume that the figure on the steps in black is Gloria Calvery.

I agree with the analysis of the two figures walking down Elm Street, they are clearly not walking together.
but there are plenty of reasons to assume the figure wearing black on the steps is Gloria Calvary.
In the Darnell footage it can be discerned that the figure in black is wearing what can only be a black head scarf and is linking arms with a woman wearing a white head scarf and an all white outfit. The figure in black is faced towards a man stood on the steps.
This is a very good fit with Billy Lovelady's description of Gloria Calvary running up to the steps and telling him the President had been shot. The woman in the black head scarf and, in particular, the woman in white can be identified in the Zapruder footage as standing in a position on Elm from which they can see JFK's head explode - and that is clearly what Calvary has seen.

Can Gloria and the woman in white run from this position to the TSBD steps before Baker gets there?
The answer is that this could easily be done given the distance involved.