Truly's False Roll

[Charles Collins]

Baker, ”mentally blocked”.

What's missing in his affidavit?

Try one more time.

Stop trying to be cryptic. You tell us.

[Jerry Freeman]

what I can't understand is how around that 12 o'clock time according to testimony, there is an alleged presence on the 6th floor involving Charles Givens, Bonnie Ray Williams and Lee Oswald except Williams didn't seem to hear the other two. 

                                                                                                   Jerry Freeman

If you show us what specific testimony you are referring to, perhaps someone can psychoanalyze it for you.

I'll try [this one time] 

Mr. McCLOY. What time of day was this, when you were eating your lunch?
Mr. WILLIAMS. About 12.
Mr. McCLOY. Just 12?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.

  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htm

Mr. BELIN. When did you see Lee Harvey Oswald next?
Mr. GIVENS. Next?
Mr. BELIN. Yes.
Mr. GIVENS. Well, it was about a quarter till 12, we were on our way downstairs, and we passed him, and he was standing at the gate on the fifth floor.
I came downstairs, and I discovered I left my cigarettes in my jacket pocket upstairs....
 I took the elevator back upstairs to get my jacket with my cigarettes in it. When I got back upstairs, he was on the sixth floor in that vicinity, coming from that way.
Mr. BELIN. Coming from what way?
Mr. GIVENS. Toward the window up front where the shots were fired from.
Mr. BELIN. Just a second, where did you go? Where were you when you saw him on the sixth floor?

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htm

I don't believe either one told the truth.
 

[Charles Collins]

                                                                                                   Jerry Freeman
I'll try [this one time] 
  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htmhttps://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/givens1.htm

I don't believe either one told the truth.

Based on their testimonies, it appears to me that:

1. Givens went back to the sixth floor to get his cigarettes and saw LHO at about 11:55.

2. Then BRW arrived back on the sixth floor after Givens had gone back down (about 12:00).

3. BRW ate his lunch on the sixth floor but testified that he didn't see or hear LHO.

So why is it that you believe that both Givens and BRW didn't tell the truth?

[Jerry Freeman]

Based on their testimonies, it appears to me that:
1. Givens went back to the sixth floor to get his cigarettes and saw LHO at about 11:55.
2. Then BRW arrived back on the sixth floor after Givens had gone back down (about 12:00).
3. BRW ate his lunch on the sixth floor but testified that he didn't see or hear LHO.
So why is it that you believe that both Givens and BRW didn't tell the truth?

Ever see the movie called "Clue"? That's what this reminds me of. Everybody moved around and just missed everybody else
Chas Givens------
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1960.msg52976.html#msg52976

[Charles Collins]

Ever see the movie called "Clue"? That's what this reminds me of. Everybody moved around and just missed everybody else
Chas Givens------
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1960.msg52976.html#msg52976

I don’t remember seeing that movie, but I think that I understand the concept. Do you understand that it is entirely possible that BRW and Givens are telling the truth? That it is not impossible for them to have just missed each other on the sixth floor and that LHO simply had to stay hidden and quiet while BRW was on that floor?

[Dan O'meara]

I don’t remember seeing that movie, but I think that I understand the concept. Do you understand that it is entirely possible that BRW and Givens are telling the truth? That it is not impossible for them to have just missed each other on the sixth floor and that LHO simply had to stay hidden and quiet while BRW was on that floor?

In this scenario the workers on the 6th floor, including Williams and Givens, have an elevator race down to the first floor and most of them hear or see Oswald still working on the 5th or 6th floor. While Williams collects his lunch Givens realises he's left his cigarettes on the 6th floor so goes back up where he sees Oswald, apparently still working. As Givens heads back down Williams is heading up, it is during this time that Oswald takes up his position in the SN and waits there quietly while Williams has his lunch.
Would you agree with this assessment?

[Charles Collins]

In this scenario the workers on the 6th floor, including Williams and Givens, have an elevator race down to the first floor and most of them hear or see Oswald still working on the 5th or 6th floor. While Williams collects his lunch Givens realises he's left his cigarettes on the 6th floor so goes back up where he sees Oswald, apparently still working. As Givens heads back down Williams is heading up, it is during this time that Oswald takes up his position in the SN and waits there quietly while Williams has his lunch.
Would you agree with this assessment?

That’s the general idea that makes sense to me. But I am reasonably sure that you are planning to spring some conflicting account(s). Do you agree with this assessment (ESP)?