U.S. And International Politics

[Michael Capasse]

Ugh.  You suddenly "don't know what I'm arguing"?   You claimed that there was no conflict between Russia and Ukraine under Obama.  Who was our president in 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea (an important part of Ukraine)?  Here is a hint.  It was not Trump.  Riddle me this.  Trump, Putin, or Zelensky?  Which has suspended elections in his country with no end in sight?  Trump or Obama?  Who has provided military aid to Ukraine and who refused to do so for fear of Russia?

You think Trump is responsible for Ukraine's sudden insurgence? 
Look to Z's advanced drone and anti-aircraft technology 

...and who belittled and berated the President of the country being attacked?

[Richard Smith]

You think Trump is responsible for Ukraine's sudden insurgence? 
Look to Z's advanced drone and anti-aircraft technology 

...and who belittled and berated the President of the country being attacked?

You are concerned about words again and not actions?  The US has sent Ukraine billions of dollars in weapons and aid.  That includes under Trump.  So yes.  Without the weapons that Trump has sent, Ukraine would be toast.  In fact, that is a narrative supported by the Dems that the US must send weapons and aid or Ukraine will go under.   

Now did Russia invade Ukraine while Obama was president?  Yes or no.  Did Obama send Ukraine any weapons?  Yes or no.

[Michael Capasse]

You are concerned about words again and not actions?  The US has sent Ukraine billions of dollars in weapons and aid.  That includes under Trump.  So yes.  Without the weapons that Trump has sent, Ukraine would be toast.  In fact, that is a narrative supported by the Dems that the US must send weapons and aid or Ukraine will go under.   

moot point. 

Trump shamed the Ukraine president in front of the whole world. Then cut off aide (March 2025).
He turned it back on again with help from EU. Then in July he did it again for a week
EU stepped in as a go-between so he would not do it again - Now US sells to EU.

Now did Russia invade Ukraine while Obama was president?  Yes or no.  Did Obama send Ukraine any weapons?  Yes or no.

I understand the words - but your point is lost in the BS. Russia took Crimea in 2014 - There was no full scale war/invasion to do it.
US supplied limited aide at the time. Ukraine did not have a stable government. One President fled office  -  the next one resigned.
It was not the same Ukraine.   

Obama put sanctions on Russia it was all he could do at the time. Trump was the one that cut off aide. EU had to step in.
Europe along with Ukraine's advanced drone technology is getting it done. I can't say the same for the American President.

[Richard Smith]

moot point. 

Trump shamed the Ukraine president in front of the whole world. Then cut off aide (March 2025).
He turned it back on again with help from EU. Then in July he did it again for a week
EU stepped in as a go-between so he would not do it again - Now US sells to EU.

I understand the words - but your point is lost in the BS. Russia took Crimea in 2014 - There was no full scale war/invasion to do it.
US supplied limited aide at the time. Ukraine did not have a stable government. One President fled office  -  the next one resigned.
It was not the same Ukraine.   

Obama put sanctions on Russia it was all he could do at the time. Trump was the one that cut off aide. EU had to step in.
Europe along with Ukraine's advanced drone technology is getting it done. I can't say the same for the American President.

Bizarre logic.  There was no extended conflict in 2014 only because Obama refused to support Ukraine with weapons.  That forced them to capitulate.   In contrast, Trump has provided Ukraine with substantial amounts of weapons.  He has rightly been critical of the Biden policy of a blank check to be taken from the American taxpayers forever.   He has tried to encourage a settlement.  That means some tough love for Zelensky who was content to take millions from Biden with no oversight. 

[Michael Capasse]

Bizarre logic.  There was no extended conflict in 2014 only because Obama refused to support Ukraine with weapons.  That forced them to capitulate.   In contrast, Trump has provided Ukraine with substantial amounts of weapons.  He has rightly been critical of the Biden policy of a blank check to be taken from the American taxpayers forever.   He has tried to encourage a settlement.  That means some tough love for Zelensky who was content to take millions from Biden with no oversight.

  Trump cut aide off to Ukraine. Twice. He was in a bad mood. 
EU has since stepped up to protect against that from happening again.