U.S. And International Politics

[John Corbett]

Have you forgotten asking the lame rhetorical question, "You mean like Hillary welcoming the help from the Steele Dossier?" in response to my saying, "The fact remains that Vladimir Putin, the 'former' KGB counterintelligence officer who murdered 307 of his own citizens in the 1999 Russian Apartment Bombings so that he could reinvade Chechnya and become president, began to interfere in our 2016 election in 2014, and went to great lengths during the following two years to do so. The Trump Campaign at the very least welcomed his help, and some of its associates, like Roger Stone and his newfound pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger, evidently conspired with the Russians to get it done"?

Perhaps you should go back and review.

You ignore the fact that the Clinton campaign indirectly paid for the Steele Dosser through intermediaries. For misreporting those payments, her campaign and the DNC were both fined by the FEC. The Trump campaign may have benefitted marginally from the Russian interference, but there is no evidence it actively conspired with the Russian effort.

[Tom Graves]

You ignore the fact that the Clinton campaign indirectly paid for the Steele Dosser through intermediaries. For misreporting those payments, her campaign and the DNC were both fined by the FEC.

The Clinton Campaign's civilly (not criminally) liable act of paying through its lawyer for the to-be-expected oppo research against Putin-loving Trump is a drop in the bucket compared to what, for example, Paul Manafort, GRU-officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and close-to-Putin oligarch Oleg Deripaska did to get Trump "elected."

It wasn't Clinton's fault that gullible Fiona Hill, the overworked and/or mole-infested FBI, and gullible (or money hungry?) Christopher Steele didn't figure out that the dossier's primary source would be a probable KGB agent and that he would be feeding Steele dossier-discrediting false or unfalsifiable "intel" which would end up actually helping Trump, his KGB-zombified MAGA base, and the KGB, itself, after the election.

There is no evidence that the Trump Campaign actively conspired with the Russian effort.

Au contraire, there's oodles and gobs of evidence that the Trump Campaign and its associates (e.g., Roger Stone and his new-found pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger) conspired with the Russians to get your boy "elected."

[John Corbett]

The Clinton Campaign's civilly (not criminally) liable act of paying through its lawyer for the to-be-expected oppo research against Putin-loving Trump is a drop in the bucket compared to what, for example, Paul Manafort, GRU-officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and close-to-Putin oligarch Oleg Deripaska did to get Trump "elected."

It wasn't Clinton's fault that gullible Fiona Hill, the overworked and/or mole-infested FBI, and gullible (or money hungry?) Christopher Steele didn't figure out that the dossier's primary source would be a probable KGB agent and that he would be feeding Steele dossier-discrediting false or unfalsifiable "intel" which would end up actually helping Trump, his KGB-zombified MAGA base, and the KGB, itself, after the election.

Au contraire, there's oodles and gobs of evidence that the Trump Campaign and its associates (e.g., Roger Stone and his new-found pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger) conspired with the Russians to get your boy "elected."

Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound when you make lame excuses for the transgressions of the Clinton campaign while exaggerating everything Trump's allies might have done. The bottom line is no one who was working directly for the Trump campaign was charged with any crime and the Mueller report acknowledged that they had no evidence that they committed any. The Clinton campaign on the other hand was fined for concealing their involvement in creating the phony Steele Dossier. It is also rather ludicrous to even suggest the Russian meddling amounted to a hill of beans given the magnitude of Trump's electoral college victory. The Soviets/Russians have always tried to influence our elections and there is no evidence they affected the final outcome. The only election that was close enough for there to even be a possibility of the Russians tipping the scale was the 2000 election and there isn't a scrap of evidence the Russians had anything to do with Bush's victory in Florida which is what decided that election.

[Tom Graves]

Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound when you make lame excuses for the transgressions of the Clinton campaign while exaggerating everything Trump's allies might have done. The bottom line is no one who was working directly for the Trump campaign was charged with any crime and the Mueller report acknowledged that they had no evidence that they committed any. The Clinton campaign on the other hand was fined for concealing their involvement in creating the phony Steele Dossier. It is also rather ludicrous to even suggest the Russian meddling amounted to a hill of beans given the magnitude of Trump's electoral college victory. The Soviets/Russians have always tried to influence our elections and there is no evidence they affected the final outcome. The only election that was close enough for there to even be a possibility of the Russians tipping the scale was the 2000 election and there isn't a scrap of evidence the Russians had anything to do with Bush's victory in Florida which is what decided that election.

The Kremlin tried especially hard to affect our 2016 election, and those efforts, in conjunction with fifty-plus years of KGB disinformation*, "active measures*," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations, were very successful, indeed.

*For example, Oliver Stone's 1991 "JFK," which was ultimately based on a KGB article published in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper three days after Jim Garrison had arrested Clay Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded the homosexual "thrill kill" assassination of JFK.

[John Corbett]

The Kremlin tried especially hard to affect our 2016 election, and those efforts, in conjunction with fifty-plus years of KGB disinformation*, "active measures*," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations, were very successful, indeed.

*For example, Oliver Stone's 1991 "JFK," which was ultimately based on a KGB article published in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper three days after Jim Garrison had arrested Clay Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded the homosexual "thrill kill" assassination of JFK.

So the Rooskies have been waging a propaganda effort for 50+ years and now you want to blame it on Trump. Unbelievable.

How do you know the 2016 efforts were "were very successful, indeed". Or did you just need an excuse for Hillary's monumental failure as a candidate?
Tell us what evidence you have that Hillary would have won the three blue wall states if not for Russian propaganda. Or the swing states of Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona. Hillary would have to have won at least 3 of those to alter the outcome of the election.

[Tom Graves]

So, the Rooskies have been waging a propaganda effort for 50+ years and now you want to blame it on Trump. Unbelievable.

Looking at Trump in the most charitable light, he's just one of many "useful idiots" who have, since late 1961 (when J. Edgar Hoover accepted Kremlin-loyal triple agent GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov as an informant at the Bureau's NYC field office), benefited the mafia formerly known as the KGB*.

It's a pity that you (and so many other Americans) are ignorant about the KGB*, and don't know that in 1959 the Kremlin, having realized that the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, developed the "Shelepin Plan," which aimed to get us to defeat ourselves by waging Sun Tzu-like disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.

It's a pity that you don't know that General Oleg Gribanov, not to be outdone by the FCD, set up an analog unit, Department 14, in his Second Chief Directorate and, after he had trapped Oleg Penkovsky "like a bear in its den" in Moscow in such a way that wouldn't reveal the traitor in the CIA or British Intelligence who had betrayed him in April 1961, sent the aforementioned Polyakov (who later "flipped" to the CIA in Rangoon) to the FBI's field office to "volunteer" to spy for it at the U.N., and two months later sent KGB* Major Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) to do the same thing.

It’s a pity that you don’t know that, six months after KGB* Major Anatoly Golitsyn defected to the U.S. from Helsinki on 15 December 1961, Gribanov sent putative KGB* staff officer Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva to discredit what Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about KGB* penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of NATO countries.

It's a pity that you don't realize that this is just "the tip of the iceberg," that, for example, Oliver Stone's self-described mythological (“to counter the myth of the Warren Report” movie, "JFK," was the result of a 1967 KGB* active measures operation, and that your boy, Trump, is wittingly or unwittingly helping the KGB* bring the goals of the aforementioned Shelepin Plan -- getting us to defeat ourselves -- to fruition.

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Martin Weidmann]

You guys are totally nuts.

The pathetic MAGA clowns always say that if you don't like the country, you should leave. Well, some time ago, during the Orange fool's first term, I did exactly that.
I closed down my businesses in the USA and took my entire family to my second home outside the USA. It was the best decision I've ever made. My grand kids go to school (they can actually walk there) without their parents fearing they might not come home. Nobody is carrying guns, there is no ICE like Gestapo and people feel safe and secure. I can actually leave my door unlocked when I leave and nothing will happen. There was a time I could have done the same in the USA!

No more stress and a far better quality of life for all of us. While you idiots have reached a point where nobody can trust anybody anymore, I can live the remaining years of my life without being confronted on a daily basis by uneducated idiots, bigots, racists and far right (as well as left) extremists who are destroying a country that once was the envy of the world.

When I was young, in the sixties and seventies, I used to love and be proud of my country. After that I saw large parts of the world and, although nowhere is perfect, I know better now. The world is laughing at your paranoia. It's so sad. I feel fortunate to have had the ability to move and I feel sorry for the millions of sane Americans who would like to do the same but are trapped.