U.S. And International Politics

[Tom Graves]

It should be pointed out that a congressional committee also found that there was likely a conspiracy to assassinate JFK so findings of such committees should be taken with a grain of salt.

Putin did have reasons for wanting Hillary to lose the 2016 election that had nothing to do with Trump. As Obama's Secretary of State, she was highly critical of the results of the Russian election which Putin had won, and he accused her of fomenting dissent. It's not at all surprising that Putin angered by Hillary's meddling in Russian politics would respond in kind in 2016, and that would have been true no matter who the Republican nominee was.

I find it quite humorous that US officials are feigning outrage at Russia meddling in our elections given our own history of meddling in the elections in other countries, including Russia's.

https://jasondarensburg.com/2025/06/26/the-long-history-of-us-meddling-in-foreign-elections/

Accusing the Russians of meddling in our elections is tantamount to us accusing the Russians of cheating better than us.

Putin "won" that election and Trump "won" the 2016 election only with Putin's help.

[John Corbett]

Putin "won" that election and Trump "won" the 2016 election only with Putin's help.

Please show your evidence that Trump would have lost without "Putin's help".

Can't do it?

Didn't think so.

[Tom Graves]

It should be pointed out that a congressional committee also found that there was likely a conspiracy to assassinate JFK so findings of such committees should be taken with a grain of salt.

The HSCA was correct in concluding that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

The Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was correct in concluding that the Kremlin strongly interfered in our 2016 election with the goal of harming Clinton and helping Trump.


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

[John Corbett]

The HSCA was correct in concluding that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

The Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was correct in concluding that the Kremlin strongly interfered in our 2016 election with the goal of harming Clinton and helping Trump.


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

Your claim was that Trump won the 2016 election ONLY with Putin's help. I asked you for evidence that Trump won ONLY because of Putin's help. As I surmised, you have no such evidence. You simply asserted something you cannot prove. Unsupported assumptions such as yours are easy to dismiss.

[Tom Graves]

You claimed that Trump won the 2016 election only with Putin's help.

I said Trump "won" only with Putin's help.

Regardless, why are you avoiding the fact that the HSCA and the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were both basically right in their conclusions, i.e., Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, and the Kremlin tried very hard to harm Clinton and help Trump in the 2016 election?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

[John Corbett]

I said Trump "won" only with Putin's help.

Regardless, why are you avoiding the fact that the HSCA and the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were both basically right in their conclusions, i.e., Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, and the Kremlin tried very hard to harm Clinton and help Trump in the 2016 election?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

Why did you use the word "only" if you weren't trying to infer that Trump wouldn't have won without Putin's help.

Congressional committees get some things wrong and some things right as the HSCA demonstrated. It makes no sense to think that just because a bipartisan committee comes to a conclusion, that their findings should automatically be accepted.

It would be surprising if the Russians hadn't tried to influence our election because they always had in the past. There's no evidence they made any more of a difference in 2016 than in previous years. That claim is just sore losers making excuses for their failures.

The US has a long history of meddling in other country's elections.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-funds-aided-2015-campaign-to-oust-netanyahu-senate-probe-finds/

That's also a finding of a bipartisan Senate committee. Do you accept that too?

That's why I always get a chuckle when Americans act outraged if someone meddles in our elections.

What's good for the goose...

[Tom Graves]

It makes no sense to think that just because a bipartisan committee comes to a conclusion [that the Kremlin went to extraordinary lengths to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump in the 2016 election], that their findings should automatically be accepted.

Why do you think the conclusions of the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence regarding Russian interference in our 2016 election should be automatically rejected, especially when the Mueller Investigation (conducted by Republican Robert Mueller) and our Intelligence agencies arrived at the same basic conclusions?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.