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Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #4008 on: Today at 03:07:01 AM »
You claimed that Trump won the 2016 election only with Putin's help.

I said Trump "won" only with Putin's help.

Regardless, why are you avoiding the fact that the HSCA and the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were both basically right in their conclusions, i.e., Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, and the Kremlin tried very hard to harm Clinton and help Trump in the 2016 election?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.
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Online John Corbett

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« Reply #4009 on: Today at 12:25:07 PM »
I said Trump "won" only with Putin's help.

Regardless, why are you avoiding the fact that the HSCA and the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were both basically right in their conclusions, i.e., Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, and the Kremlin tried very hard to harm Clinton and help Trump in the 2016 election?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

Why did you use the word "only" if you weren't trying to infer that Trump wouldn't have won without Putin's help.

Congressional committees get some things wrong and some things right as the HSCA demonstrated. It makes no sense to think that just because a bipartisan committee comes to a conclusion, that their findings should automatically be accepted.

It would be surprising if the Russians hadn't tried to influence our election because they always had in the past. There's no evidence they made any more of a difference in 2016 than in previous years. That claim is just sore losers making excuses for their failures.

The US has a long history of meddling in other country's elections.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-funds-aided-2015-campaign-to-oust-netanyahu-senate-probe-finds/

That's also a finding of a bipartisan Senate committee. Do you accept that too?

That's why I always get a chuckle when Americans act outraged if someone meddles in our elections.

What's good for the goose...


Online Tom Graves

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« Reply #4010 on: Today at 12:49:39 PM »
It makes no sense to think that just because a bipartisan committee comes to a conclusion [that the Kremlin went to extraordinary lengths to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump in the 2016 election], that their findings should automatically be accepted.

Why do you think the conclusions of the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence regarding Russian interference in our 2016 election should be automatically rejected, especially when the Mueller Investigation (conducted by Republican Robert Mueller) and our Intelligence agencies arrived at the same basic conclusions?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.
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Online John Corbett

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« Reply #4011 on: Today at 08:08:55 PM »
Why do you think the conclusions of the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence regarding Russian interference in our 2016 election should be automatically rejected, especially when the Mueller Investigation (conducted by Republican Robert Mueller) and our Intelligence agencies arrived at the same basic conclusions?


Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

Why do you keep making strawman arguments?