U.S. And International Politics

[Charles Collins]

It's probably my influence as a high-ranking KGB officer.  There were some Russians on board the plane.  I bet someone here could play the Kevin Bacon game and link this disaster back to Russia.  Cue sinister music.  LOL.

It’s truly sad that some people actually do believe that this was an intentional suicidal act by the helicopter pilot. When we really start thinking about it, the helicopter was in a blind spot of the plane turning left. And the plane was probably in a blind spot of the helicopter pilot if he was sitting on the right side of the cockpit like most helicopter pilots do. I was wondering if ATC specified (to the helicopter) which runway that the plane was landing on. It seems that they did. So it does look like the helicopter pilot is going to be at fault. But I think that there will be some changes to ATC procedures etc as well.

[Royell Storing]

It’s truly sad that some people actually do believe that this was an intentional suicidal act by the helicopter pilot. When we really start thinking about it, the helicopter was in a blind spot of the plane turning left. And the plane was probably in a blind spot of the helicopter pilot if he was sitting on the right side of the cockpit like most helicopter pilots do. I was wondering if ATC specified (to the helicopter) which runway that the plane was landing on. It seems that they did. So it does look like the helicopter pilot is going to be at fault. But I think that there will be some changes to ATC procedures etc as well.

   There's a helicopter corridor/path they are supposed to follow as they fly over the Potomac. If you look at the path that copter took before even getting to the Reagan Airport, that copter was frequently Outside of this corridor. Coupled with the copter flying far too high, we need to know what specifically was going on inside that Black Hawk Copter.   

[Tom Graves]

You need to be specific and use full names when referring to people. Page is Not an uncommon last name. And what the heck is a "PROBABLE" KGB* agent?  Your posts/work are indicative of someone that is Not thorough.

This is as specific as it gets, Storing.

Your boy Donald J. Trump (for whom you and all of the other MAGATs are expendable) is an expendable agent of chaos for "former" KGB* officer Vladimir Putin.

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Richard Smith]

It’s truly sad that some people actually do believe that this was an intentional suicidal act by the helicopter pilot. When we really start thinking about it, the helicopter was in a blind spot of the plane turning left. And the plane was probably in a blind spot of the helicopter pilot if he was sitting on the right side of the cockpit like most helicopter pilots do. I was wondering if ATC specified (to the helicopter) which runway that the plane was landing on. It seems that they did. So it does look like the helicopter pilot is going to be at fault. But I think that there will be some changes to ATC procedures etc as well.

I haven't heard that one but nothing surprises me.  I was reading that there were those on social media blaming a transgender Blackhawk pilot for the crash.  It turns out the transgender person that they were referencing wasn't even on the helicopter and is very much still alive, but some on social media can't be deterred.  A great example of adopting a narrative and then not allowing any facts to change it. 

[Royell Storing]

I haven't heard that one but nothing surprises me.  I was reading that there were those on social media blaming a transgender Blackhawk pilot for the crash.  It turns out the transgender person that they were referencing wasn't even on the helicopter and is very much still alive, but some on social media can't be deterred.  A great example of adopting a narrative and then not allowing any facts to change it.

    I heard 1 of those Press Briefings where that Fat Guy in between his sobbing about having to deal with the relatives of the dead, quickly referenced a roughly "3-4 second refresh rate" there inside the Control Tower. It wouldn't surprise me if they were using old technology inside that control tower. Maybe, whatever the Air Traffic Controller is eyeballing on his screen is actually a few seconds Behind the current position of the plane(s)/copter(s) in the sky? I am still trying to figure out how as commanded, the copter could fly" behind" the jet airplane. The copter was heading roughly S and the Jet Airplane was heading roughly N. How does one get Behind the other when they are moving almost directly toward each other? As yet, I have Not heard a name attached to that Air Traffic Controller, yrs of experience, Nothing. And, they have also dropped mention of why they were understaffed inside the control tower by 30%, or why someone left "early". Once again, the Fake Newser's have danced over to other "stuff" like battering Trump for Tariffs that were Never imposed. 

[Charles Collins]

    I heard 1 of those Press Briefings where that Fat Guy in between his sobbing about having to deal with the relatives of the dead, quickly referenced a roughly "3-4 second refresh rate" there inside the Control Tower. It wouldn't surprise me if they were using old technology inside that control tower. Maybe, whatever the Air Traffic Controller is eyeballing on his screen is actually a few seconds Behind the current position of the plane(s)/copter(s) in the sky? I am still trying to figure out how as commanded, the copter could fly" behind" the jet airplane. The copter was heading roughly S and the Jet Airplane was heading roughly N. How does one get Behind the other when they are moving almost directly toward each other? As yet, I have Not heard a name attached to that Air Traffic Controller, yrs of experience, Nothing. And, they have also dropped mention of why they were understaffed inside the control tower by 30%, or why someone left "early". Once again, the Fake Newser's have danced over to other "stuff" like battering Trump for Tariffs that were Never imposed.

It seems to me that the controller was probably anticipating the left turn of the airliner to line up with the runway. And the controller probably thought that all the helicopter would have had to do was slow down enough to let the plane turn left in front of him. Then the helicopter could have passed behind the plane. (Much the same as you should do if, upon approaching an intersection of two roads in an automobile, someone turns left in front of you and you need to slow down a little in order to give the other automobile a little time to get out of your way.)

It appears to me that the controller was told by the helicopter pilot that the he had the plane in sight (although, sadly, it appears he was looking at the wrong plane approaching another runway). Therefore most people, who are knowledgeable about these things, believe the controller did all that was required. Otherwise, if the helicopter pilot had not indicated he had the plane in sight, I think the controller should have (and would have) given the helicopter pilot explicit instructions to help him avoid a collision.

It appears to me that the helicopter was climbing at the time of the collision. It appears to me that it had been at the 200-feet altitude and inexplicably began to climb shortly before the collision. If that’s the case, and the pilot was in the right-hand seat, the plane would have been approaching the helicopter’s position from high and to the left of the helicopter (especially after the helicopter began it’s apparent right-hand turn). That might have been a blind spot for the helicopter pilot. Otherwise, it seems to me that the helicopter pilot should have seen the plane and avoided the collision.

The investigation should shed some light on all the aspects. Hopefully a preliminary finding will be forthcoming before long.

[Royell Storing]

It seems to me that the controller was probably anticipating the left turn of the airliner to line up with the runway. And the controller probably thought that all the helicopter would have had to do was slow down enough to let the plane turn left in front of him. Then the helicopter could have passed behind the plane. (Much the same as you should do if, upon approaching an intersection of two roads in an automobile, someone turns left in front of you and you need to slow down a little in order to give the other automobile a little time to get out of your way.)

It appears to me that the controller was told by the helicopter pilot that the he had the plane in sight (although, sadly, it appears he was looking at the wrong plane approaching another runway). Therefore most people, who are knowledgeable about these things, believe the controller did all that was required. Otherwise, if the helicopter pilot had not indicated he had the plane in sight, I think the controller should have (and would have) given the helicopter pilot explicit instructions to help him avoid a collision.

It appears to me that the helicopter was climbing at the time of the collision. It appears to me that it had been at the 200-feet altitude and inexplicably began to climb shortly before the collision. If that’s the case, and the pilot was in the right-hand seat, the plane would have been approaching the helicopter’s position from high and to the left of the helicopter (especially after the helicopter began it’s apparent right-hand turn). That might have been a blind spot for the helicopter pilot. Otherwise, it seems to me that the helicopter pilot should have seen the plane and avoided the collision.

The investigation should shed some light on all the aspects. Hopefully a preliminary finding will be forthcoming before long.

         The "pass behind" command is confusing and not specific. With respect to your left hand turn reference, to me, my permitting someone to turn in front of me is, "Yielding the right of way". I have Not heard what experience that Air Traffic Controller had, but their communicative skills are very poor. Someone in that position has to be short on words and long on specificity.