Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Being driven out of your native country due to war is a good reason for hating Israel the same way Cuban exiles have good reasons for hating Fidel Castro.

There were 10-14 shots fired. Sirhan’s gun only held 8 bullets. There were powder burns on RFK’s clothes and head but Sirhan never got within 5 feet of Kennedy.

Where's the evidence that he was "driven out" of his native land by Israel? Jordan was in control of the West Bank where he lived in 1956 when he left not Israel. What did Israel have to do with his departure? And he was 12 when he left. He went with his family. Do you think he knew anything about politics at that age?

Cuban exiles left Cuba to escape repression after Castro hijacked the revolution and became a dictator.

So the analogy doesn't work for me. I'm sure it's my problem <g>.

As to the shots: Do you think he just happened to have a revolver in his hand at the same time RFK was shot? And while being subdued he continued trying to fire it? None of that had anything to do with RFK's death?

[Jon Banks]

Where's the evidence that he was "driven out" of his native land by Israel? Jordan was in control of the West Bank where he lived in 1956 when he left not Israel. What did Israel have to do with his departure? And he was 12 when he left. He went with his family. Do you think he knew anything about politics at that age?

He was born in Jerusalem. Why did he end up in Jordan before moving to the US? The 1948 war.

Are you that unfamiliar with the events that led to the creation of the modern State of Israel? There were wars and massacres of Arab villagers.

It’s presumed that Sirhan was radicalized by the 1967 war when Israel took over the West Bank.

Cuban exiles left Cuba to escape repression after Castro hijacked the revolution and became a dictator.

So the analogy doesn't work for me. I'm sure it's my problem <g>.

My point is, people who end up on the losing end of wars or colonization have the Right to hate the winning side.

All I'm saying is, it shouldn't be assumed to be anti-Semitism if a Palestinian has negative opinions of Israel. It's a very polarizing issue for both Palestinians and Zionist Jews.

As to the shots: Do you think he just happened to have a revolver in his hand at the same time RFK was shot? And while being subdued he continued trying to fire it? None of that had anything to do with RFK's death?

He doesn't know how he got to the hotel. He doesn't remember shooting RFK. If he wasn't mentally aware of what he did when he did it, then yeah, there's a case to be made that he is innocent. He also recanted his confession. I don't think it can be dismissed that he may have either been drugged or under hypnosis. Both seem plausible based on the known information (he was given drinks by a woman in a polka-dot dress who was seen by several other witnesses).

The forensic evidence certainly suggests that there may have been more than one shooter.

[Robert Reeves]

Sirhan granted parole!

'I was disturbed that the wrong person might have been convicted of killing my father. My father was the chief law enforcement officer in this country. I think it would have disturbed him if somebody was put in jail for a crime they didn't commit.' Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

'I'm overwhelmed just by being able to view Mr. Sirhan face to face,' he said. 'I think I've lived my life both in fear of him and his name in one way or another. And I am grateful today to see him as a human being worthy of compassion and love.' Douglas Kennedy

[Jon Banks]

Great summary of the evidence in the RFK case in this documentary

[Tom Scully]

Some details to consider... and I think there is an absence in this thread of consideration of Eugene McCarthy being rivals and the heavy "CIA presence" in the creation of McCarthy's candidacy and in the campaign. Is it coincidence RFK was taken out literally minutes after the pinnacle achievement in his short political career, and in a property managed by a man so close to Roy Cohn, who RFK nearly physically fought when the two were Sen. Joe McCarthy's staffers before the Army McCarthy hearings which were about the Ambassador Hotel's general manager, Schine?

RFK, Jr. suspected security guard Thane Eugene Cesar's involvement.
https://aarclibrary.org/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk-jr-calls-him-possible-assassin/

Dan Moldea's account of Cesar's cooperation, including consenting to a lie detector test, and the results.:
(Moldea mentions he was discouraged from hypnosis because of reliability vs risk and went with polygraph.)
https://www.moldea.com/Cesar-polygraph.pdf
Dan Moldea on the polygraph test he arranged for Thane Eugene Cesar. From his book, The Killing of Robert F. Kennedy: An Investigation of Motive Means, ...


Convicted RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan says girl in polka-dot dress manipulated him
Updated: Mar. 25, 2019, 3:31 a.m. | Published: Apr. 28, 2011

By LINDA DEUTSCH
AP Special Correspondent
LOS ANGELES — Convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan was manipulated by a seductive girl in a mind control plot to shoot Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and his bullets did not kill the presidential candidate, lawyers for Sirhan said in new legal papers.

The documents filed this week in federal court and obtained by The Associated Press detail extensive interviews with Sirhan during the past three years, some done while he was under hypnosis.

The papers point to a mysterious girl in a polka-dot dress as the controller who led Sirhan to fire a gun in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel. But the documents suggest a second person shot and killed Kennedy while using Sirhan as a diversion.

For the first time, Sirhan said under hypnosis that on a cue from the girl he went into "range mode" believing he was at a firing range and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.

"I thought that I was at the range more than I was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy," Sirhan was quoted as saying during interviews with Daniel Brown, a Harvard University professor and expert in trauma memory and hypnosis. He interviewed Sirhan for 60 hours with and without hypnosis, according to the legal brief.

Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney, said prosecutors were unaware of the legal filing and could not comment.

The story of the girl has been a lingering theme in accounts of the events just after midnight on June 5, 1968, when Kennedy was gunned down in the hotel pantry after claiming victory in the California Democratic presidential primary.

Witnesses talked of seeing such a female running from the hotel shouting, "We shot Kennedy." But she was never identified, and amid the chaos of the scene, descriptions were conflicting.

Through the years, Sirhan has claimed no memory of shooting Kennedy and said in the recent interviews that his presence at the hotel was an accident, not a planned destination.

Under hypnosis, he remembered meeting the girl that night and becoming smitten with her. He said she led him to the pantry.

"I am trying to figure out how to hit on her.... That's all that I can think about," he says in one interview cited in the documents. "I was fascinated with her looks .... She never said much. It was very erotic. I was consumed by her. She was a seductress with an unspoken unavailability."

Brown was hired by Sirhan's lawyer William F. Pepper.
Pepper's associate, attorney Laurie Dusek, attended the interviews. and Brown said in the documents they both took verbatim notes because prison officials would not let them tape record nearly all the sessions.

Sirhan maintained in the hypnotic interviews that the mystery girl touched him or "pinched" him on the shoulder just before he fired then spun him around to see people coming through the pantry door.

"Then I was on the target range ... a flashback to the shooting range ... I didn't know that I had a gun," Sirhan said.

Under what Brown called the condition of hypnotic free recall, he said Sirhan remembered seeing the flash of a second gun at the time of the assassination. Without hypnosis, he said, Sirhan could not remember that shot.

Pepper, a New York lawyer with an international practice, previously tried to prove that James Earl Ray was not the assassin of Martin Luther King Jr.
The lawyer said he is convinced that Sirhan was a victim of a mind control project such as those used by the CIA in the 1960s. He is seeking an evidentiary hearing to exonerate Sirhan in Kennedy's killing.

Dusek said in an interview that Sirhan was hypnotized for perhaps 30 percent of the interviews, most of which had to be done through a glass partition with Brown talking to him on a phone.

Only when Sirhan was moved from the state prison at Corcoran to his current location at Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga were they allowed face-to-face visits, she said, and a few of those were recorded.

Other portions of the motion allege suppression of ballistics evidence and the autopsy report, and claim ineffective assistance of counsel. It contends previous lawyers for Sirhan accepted from the start that he was the lone shooter, settled on a defense of diminished capacity and did not seek other avenues of defense.

During the trial, Sirhan tried to confess to killing Kennedy "with 20 years of malice aforethought," but the judge rejected the blurted statement.

A large portion of the new documents seek to prove the bullets that hit Kennedy came from a different direction than the spot where Sirhan was standing. The papers do not name any other possible shooter.

Sirhan was denied parole in March by a panel that said he had not shown sufficient remorse for the killing."

June 4, 2018 :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/06/04/the-assassination-of-bobby-kennedy-was-sirhan-sirhan-hypnotized-to-be-the-fall-guy/
"Even as Sirhan Sirhan was being captured, seconds after the shooting of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy in Los Angeles, he behaved oddly. A group of men had tackled him, held him down and tried to wrest the gun out of his hands. But “in the middle of a hurricane of sound and feeling,” wrote one of those men, author George Plimpton, Sirhan “seemed peaceful.” Plimpton was struck by Sirhan’s “dark brown and enormously peaceful eyes.” A Los Angeles police officer who had rushed in recalled, “He had a blank, glassed-over look on his face — like he wasn’t in complete control of his mind.”

At the same time, the short, slim Sirhan — 5 feet 5 inches, about 120 pounds — exerted superhuman strength as one man held his wrist to a steam table in the Ambassador Hotel pantry, firing off five or six more shots even as he was held around the neck, body and legs by other men, witnesses said. It took a half-dozen men to wrench the .22-caliber pistol out of Sirhan’s grip. At the police station, Sirhan was preternaturally calm, officers later said. “I was impressed by Sirhan’s composure and relaxation,” Sgt. William Jordan wrote in a report later that morning. “He appeared less upset to me than individuals arrested for a traffic violation.”

Two who were close to RFK and attempted to neutralize Sirhan, are of uneven loyalties, Grier voted for Obama and then for Trump, Plimpton accepted CIA funding on behalf of Paris Review.

Continued...

[Tom Scully]

Continued from my last post...

George, Being George: George Plimpton's Life as Told, ...
Link: books.google.com › books
Nelson W. Aldrich · 2008





https://www.npr.org/transcripts/758989641
"The CIA's Secret Quest For Mind Control: Torture, LSD And A 'Poisoner In Chief'
September 9, 2019
This is FRESH AIR. I'm Terry Gross...My guest, journalist Stephen Kinzer, has spent several years investigating the CIA's mind control program, which was known as MK-Ultra. LSD was just one of the mind-altering drugs that were tested in the program to see if and how they could be weaponized to control human behavior. Many of the unwitting subjects of these experiments were subjected to what amounts to psychological torture...

KINZER...So MK-Ultra was a project lasting up to 10 years in which the CIA sought to find ways to control the human mind. They wanted to be able to have a truth serum that would make prisoners say everything they knew, also an amnesiac that would make people forget what they had done and, most important, a technique or a drug that would allow the CIA to direct agents to carry out acts like sabotage or assassination and then forget who had ordered them to do it, or even that they'd carried out the actions at all. So MK-Ultra was the most sustained search in history for techniques of mind control.

"...GROSS: So LSD was created in 1943 by Dr. Albert Hoffman at the Sandoz Laboratories in Basel, Switzerland. How did the CIA find out about LSD?

KINZER: As part of the search for drugs that would allow people to control the human mind, CIA scientists became aware of the existence of LSD, and this became an obsession for the early directors of MK-Ultra. Actually, the MK-Ultra director, Sidney Gottlieb, can now be seen as the man who brought LSD to America. He was the unwitting godfather of the entire LSD counterculture. In the early 1950s, he arranged for the CIA to pay $240,000 to buy the world's entire supply of LSD. He brought this to the United States, and he began spreading it around to hospitals, clinics, prisons and other institutions, asking them, through bogus foundations, to carry out research projects and find out what LSD was, how people reacted to it and how it might be able to be used as a tool for mind control.

Now, the people who volunteered for these experiments and began taking LSD, in many cases, found it very pleasurable. They told their friends about it. Who were those people? Ken Kesey, the author of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest," got his LSD in an experiment sponsored by the CIA, by MK-Ultra, by Sidney Gottlieb. So did Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead,......

GROSS: Now, there's a much darker side to this program because a lot of people who were being experimented on, they were prisoners. I mean, they had no idea what they were being given. One of those prisoners was the famous gangster Whitey Bulger, who was serving time then for hijacking a truck, and he was in the Atlanta Penitentiary. So he actually wrote something describing his experience. Can you give us a summary of what he said?

KINZER: Whitey Bulger was one of the prisoners who volunteered for what he was told was an experiment aimed at finding a cure for schizophrenia. As part of this experiment, he was given LSD every day for more than a year. He later realized that this had nothing to do with schizophrenia, and he was a guinea pig in a government experiment aimed at seeing what people's long-term reactions to LSD was; essentially, could we make a person lose his mind by feeding him LSD every day over such a long period?

Bulger wrote afterword about his experiences, which he described as quite horrific. He thought he was going insane. He wrote, I was in prison for committing a crime, but they committed a greater crime on me. And towards the end of his life, Bulger came to realize the truth of what had happened to him, and he actually told his friends that he was going to find that doctor in Atlanta who was the head of that experiment program in the penitentiary and go kill him. Now, that doctor later died a natural death, so Bulger didn't get to carry out his wish. But Bulger was one of many prisoners across America who unwittingly were fed huge doses of LSD, and the reason for this was very simple.

Gottlieb wanted to create a way to seize control of people's minds, and he realized it was a two-part process. First, you had to blast away the existing mind. Second, you had to find a way to insert a new mind into that resulting void. Well, he didn't get too far on No. 2, but he did a lot of work on No. 1 - trying to find out how to destroy the mind of a human being, and that was the purpose of experiments that he carried out in prisons in the United States and at secret detention centers in Europe and East Asia.

GROSS: And he worked with some pretty high-class torturers, too, from one of the Nazi doctors and the chief poisoner from Japan during World War II. How did they end up in his program?

KINZER: One of the most remarkable discoveries that I made in the research for this book is that the CIA mind control project, MK-Ultra, was essentially a continuation of work that began in Japanese and Nazi concentration camps. Not only was it roughly based on those experiments, but the CIA actually hired the vivisectionists and the torturers who had worked in Japan and in Nazi concentration camps to come and explain what they had found out so that we could build on their research.

For example, Nazi doctors had conducted extensive experiments with mescaline at the Dachau concentration camp, and the CIA was very interested in figuring out whether mescaline could be the key to mind control. That was one of their big avenues of investigation. So they hired the Nazi doctors who had been involved in that project to advise them. Another thing the Nazis provided was information about poison gases like sarin, which is still being used.

Nazi doctors came to America to Fort Dietrich in Maryland, which was the center of this project, to lecture to CIA officers to tell them how long it took for people to die from sarin and was there a difference in how long it took to die if you were a small child or an infant, whether you were an elderly person or whether you were a healthy middle-aged person. The only way to know this would be to have killed all those people. The CIA was eager to get this kind of information.

And actually, one of the things that is the most bizarre about the fact that we relied on Nazi doctors is that Sidney Gottlieb himself was Jewish, and his parents had emigrated from Central Europe in the early 20th century. If they had not emigrated, Sidney Gottlieb might well himself have been brought up in Central Europe, forced into a ghetto, brought to a concentration camp and become the subject of one of these grotesque Nazi medical experiments. Nonetheless, he didn't seem to have any problem working as a CIA officer with the doctors who conducted those experiments.

GROSS: Yeah, I found that pretty hard to understand. But, you know, also, Kurt Blome, one of the Nazi doctors who was hired by Sidney Gottlieb, was on trial in Nuremberg. He was acquitted, but he was one of the Nazi doctors who was tried. And the Nuremberg Code established that if you are conducting experiments, that the person you are experimenting on needs to give informed consent. And of course, MK-Ultra totally violated the Nuremberg Code, but apparently the U.S. never signed on to that, never adapted that.

KINZER: If the United States had used the Nuremberg Code domestically, Sidney Gottlieb would never have been able to do what he did; there couldn't have been MK-Ultra. What Sidney Gottlieb did is exactly what we sentenced Nazi doctors to death after the Second World War for doing in concentration camps.

GROSS: Let me reintroduce you here. If you're just joining us, my guest is Stephen Kinzer. His new book is called "Poisoner In Chief: Sidney Gottlieb And The CIA Search For Mind Control." We'll be right back after a short break. This is FRESH AIR."

Continued...

[Tom Scully]

Continued from my last two posts.

I don't have time to complete this now, but I will "set it up"...

You won't find any mention on wikipedia of Lowenstein's relationship with CIA from the time he was president of the NSA, the National Students Association.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allard_K._Lowenstein
"..Robert F. Kennedy assassination
Lowenstein was critical of the official account of the June 6, 1968, assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Lowenstein made a one-hour appearance on the PBS television show Firing Line in 1975, where he was interviewed by William F. Buckley Jr., in which he stated that he did not believe that Sirhan Sirhan alone had shot Kennedy. [15] ....Associations with conservatives
Lowenstein was a close friend of conservative commentator William F. Buckley, Jr., who featured Lowenstein on numerous Firing Line programs, publicly endorsed his candidacies for U.S. Congress, and delivered a eulogy at his funeral.[17][18]

Lowenstein reportedly was Republican Donald Rumsfeld's "best friend in Congress" during Lowenstein's term of office, the two having become good friends while serving as Congressional aides in the late 1950s. Despite their party and ideological differences, Rumsfeld joined Lowenstein on the victory platform upon Lowenstein's election to Congress in 1968. In 1970, Rumsfeld publicly defended Lowenstein against his Republican opponent's attacks, only to recant and endorse the opponent, Norman Lent, under pressure from the Nassau County (Long Island) Republican organization and Nixon White House. Rumsfeld's public reversal contributed to Lowenstein's reelection defeat and the end of their friendship.[10].."

It appears his charisma and ability to motivate and organize students was harnessed and repurposed for pre-emption and to lessen interference with the military draft apparatus...

Ramparts "outted him" in 1967, despite a 12 man team directed by Richard Ober to prevent publication of CIA interference in domestic affairs.

http://www.voxnews.com/index.php/component/k2/item/98-cia-userpation-press
The Userpation of the Free Press by the CIA - Harry
Written by  Alex Constintine
Jul 8, 2014 — "On March 4, 1967, Richard Ober got a report from a person who attended a Ramparts staff meeting at which magazine reporters had discussed their ..."

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1986/01/30/allard-lowenstein-an-exchange/
Allard Lowenstein: An Exchange - The New York Review of ...https://www.nybooks.com › articles › 1986/01/30 › alla...
Jan 30, 1986 — To the Editors: Hendrik Hertzberg's review of The Pied Piper, ... that the CIA/NSA link can be traced to 1949, a year before Lowenstein ...Lowenstein was clearly concerned about what the FBI and the CIA might release about his CIA affiliation under a Freedom of Information Act request. The only damaging information was the material in the portions of his CIA file that was released to him. Because of the Privacy Act, this was available to him but not to the general public.

Finally, I rely on not one but three entries in Lowenstein’s diary to show that he informed on suspected Communists in the civil rights movement.

Richard Cummings
Bridgehampton, New York"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1985/03/04/al-lowensteins-tangled-legacy/edae458a-1ac9-4b88-83dd-587a5a65abf3/
Al Lowenstein's Tangled Legacy - The Washington Posthttps://www.washingtonpost.com › lifestyle › 1985/03/04
Mar 4, 1985 — Now comes "The Pied Piper: Allard Lowenstein and the Liberal Dream," ... Cummings now points to a 1962 CIA document he just received (not ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/opinion/eugene-mccarthy-lyndon-johnson-vietnam.html
Opinion
VIETNAM '67

The Myth of Eugene McCarthy
By Joshua Zeitz
March 8, 2018

"...Throughout the late summer and fall, Lowenstein traveled the country, coalescing antiwar party activists and students at the local level into a loose coalition. “I said we’ll build the base first,” he explained, then “the candidate will come along.” He first approached Senator Robert Kennedy of New York, who took the meeting simply out of courtesy to his young staff members, then Senator George McGovern; both said no. He then went to James Gavin, a liberal, retired lieutenant general who had served briefly as ambassador to France and who now argued that America was squandering resources in Vietnam that could be put to better use in the urban communities. He likewise said no. Finally, Lowenstein approached McCarthy, the senior senator from Minnesota. It took several conversations, but when McCarthy asked, “How do you think we’d do in a Wisconsin primary?” Lowenstein knew he had found his candidate. “I was ecstatic,” he said. “It was like music, like an organ welling up in my ears.”

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bal-curtis-gans-a-man-who-changed-the-course-of-history-20150319-story.html
Curtis Gans, a man who changed the course of history
By BY JULES WITCOVER
MAR 20, 2015
"..Gans, who died Sunday at 77, teamed at Chapel Hill with Allard Lowenstein, later a New York congressman, and orchestrated the Dump Johnson movement in 1967. Together they persuaded Democratic Sen. Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota to challenge LBJ in the 1968 New Hampshire primary, and it worked beyond their dreams.
...Gans and Lowenstein, foot soldiers in the radical Students for a Democratic Society(SDS) and in the National Student Association, headed up a group called the Conference of Concerned Democrats to dislodge the president for prolonging the Vietnam War..."

Link: books.google.com › books
1971 · ‎Snippet view
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 29
paign : Thomas McCoy , Thomas Finney and Thomas Braden ( with Lowenstein as a possible fourth ) . McCoy was the most important , and the closest to McCarthy ...

Thomas Finney, Lawyer, Political Strategist, Dies - The ...https://www.washingtonpost.com › local › 1978/02/01

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1978/02/01/thomas-finney-lawyer-political-strategist-dies/dd8ecb8a-a8c7-4e66-bec0-32d4dd33c73a/
Feb 1, 1978 — ... Thomas D. Finney, a pioneer trial lawyer. He then served with the Central Intelligence Agency in Copenhagen, Denmark, from 1952 to 1955. ..He was a member of the prestigious law firm of Clifford, Glass, McIlwain and Finney, which he had joined in 1963...In 1968, Mr. Finney took a leave of absence from his law firm to work in the presidential campaign of Eugene McCarthy. He was considered to have the most political expertise in the organization.

Mr. Finney directed McCarthy's primary victory over Robert Kennedy in Oregon, visited the Kennedy family was assassinated and remained the McCarthy liason with Kennedy's followers..."

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=25004#relPageId=2


https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=51733#relPageId=2