Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

[Martin Weidmann]

I make the point that the investigation was both incompetent and corrupt. As was the subsequent enquiry.
The LN narrative exists whether you like it or not and you, Martin, are the classic example of a whining CTer picking over every little detail without providing an alternative explanation or a narrative of your own.

The LN narrative exists whether you like it or not

I don't deny the narrative exists. And I'll go you one better. The best lie is the one that stays as close to the truth as possible.

you, Martin, are the classic example of a whining CTer picking over every little detail without providing an alternative explanation or a narrative of your own.

And there is the personal attack.... so quickly! What a sign of weakness. First of all, why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am not a CT, for one simple reason; I don't have a conspiracy theory, whether you like it or not!

Secondly, not everybody who does not instantly and blindly accepts the LN narrative is a conspiracy theorist. You just call everybody who disagrees with you a CT because that makes it easier for you and your ilk to attack them. 

Thirdly, the LN narrative is so superficial and unsupported by evidence that it warrants close scrutiny. If you are going to declare a man guilty of a double murder, you really do need a strong persuasive case and not one that falls apart as soon as you challenge any part of it.

The one whining is you.... because you lack the arguments to persuade anybody who questions to credibility of the case.

It is utterly amazing that you accept that the investigation and subsequent enquiry were incompetent and corrupt, yet you embrace the outcome of that enquiry (now called the narrative) as being of any probative value.

[Walt Cakebread]

I have asked you the same question on multiple occasions and you responded with the go nowhere response of "I'll answer your question if you first answer my question" but I do see after more than a week, that 5 minutes before my post you gave an answer. Hooray.

But your answer you gave, that you believe that a cab did take Oswald to his rooming house but just not Whaley's cab is pretty funny and it makes me wonder why you fought so hard and for so long against Whaley's journey when another cab get's you no closer to proving Oswald's "innocence", and this attitude of wasting your time and simply replacing "A" with "B" to get the same result goes a long way to proving to me that you are not here to solve anything.

JohnM

My Dear Johnny...You seem to be confused.... What the hell do you mean by " makes me wonder why you fought so hard and for so long against Whaley's journey"   You clearly are confused. You seem to be confusing me with some other person.... I have long said that Whaley did in fact transport some young man to Oakcliff ....  But that man was NOT Lee Oswald.  Now  extract your head and READ what I've posted.

[Jerry Freeman]

That is the strength of the LN position - a narrative.

If that "narrative" was the result of a fair and balanced investigation you might have a point. Since it clearly wasn't, you haven't

It is more like the weakness of the lone assassin position is actually conjecture. For example----

This is what we would expect if it is Oswald. That he gets dropped off past his address is easily explained as someone on the run wanting to check if anyone is waiting for him outside where he lives.

Speculation straight from the imagination of David Belin.
There were other tenants that lived at the Beckley house if I am correct...so how would Oswald know if someone in particular was 'waiting for him'?
From reply #169----

you fought so hard and for so long against Whaley's journey when another cab get's you no closer to proving Oswald's "innocence"

The official bus/taxi narrative does not prove Oswald's guilt either.
The only one 'obsessing' here is the creator of this thread by orchestrating it to begin with.

[John Mytton]

My Dear Johnny...You seem to be confused.... What the hell do you mean by " makes me wonder why you fought so hard and for so long against Whaley's journey"   You clearly are confused. You seem to be confusing me with some other person.... I have long said that Whaley did in fact transport some young man to Oakcliff ....  But that man was NOT Lee Oswald.  Now  extract your head and READ what I've posted.

The Whaley journey under discussion is the one where Whaley transported Oswald but now you seem to be saying that there were two young men, both slender, both about 5'8", both wearing a shiny bracelet on their left wrist, both looked to be 25-26yo, both wearing a dark shirt, both were going to Beckley, both said a lady was trying catch a cab at the same time and they both left Dallas within minutes of each other, and you say that I'm the one who's confused? 



JohnM

[Tom Scully]

hinky - slang : SUSPICIOUS

Where is any supporting evidence of Whaley's WWII combat award?



Why did Whaley's birth year, consistent in all records, birth, multiple US census, on his son William's 1931 birth certificate, and on his 1940 draft registration, change from 1908 to 1905 sometime after that?



Phillips Family History: A Brief History of the Phillips ... - Page 127 books.google.com › books
Harry Phillips · 1935 ·


Why was Whaley's son and namesake raised by his deceased mother's sister and considered her husband to be his father?

Whaley genealogy as understood by a family member,:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18


https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157070315/
Tuesday, June 24, 1997

 Rio Rancho. WHALEY William Wayne Whaley, 65, passed away unexpectedly on June 18, 1997 in Michigan while on vacation. Husband of 43 years to Dorothy; father and father-in-law of Jamy and Gregg Peevy and Bill Jr. and Dee Whaley, all of Albuquerque; son of Alice (Pat) Scales of Albuquerque. Mr. Whaley retired from Us Alamos National Ubs in 1993 after 17 years. A memorial service will be held Wednesday, 3:00 p.m. at French Mortuary, Umas Blvd. Chapel, 10500 Umas NE. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Noonday Ministry, P.O. Box 8769, Albuquerque, NM 87198 or New Mexico Boys and Girls Ranch, 6209 Hendrix NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157414971/
Tuesday, October 30, 1984   Albuquerque Journal
..............
SEALES Mr. Alvin S. Seales, age 73 and a resident here 21 years, died Monday in a local hospital following an illness. He is survived by his wife, Alice; a son William W. Whaley and wife Dorothy; granddaughter Jamy Whaley; grandson, William W. Whaley Jr. and wife Nancy, all of Albuquerque; a brother Clarence L Seales and wife Ramona; sister Denme Mae Morris; sister-in-law Katie Seales; four nephews and five nieces. Mr. Seales retired from Federal A via Don Administration and was a member of the Methodist Church, Air Traffic Control Association, a veteran of WWII, and member of D.A.V. Borderland Post 10 in El Paso, TX. Services will be held Wednesday at 11.00 a.m. in the Chapel of Fitzgerald and Son Funeral Directors, 3113 Carlisle NE, with Rev. Henry Weston, officiating. Inter ment will follow in the Santa Fe National Cemetery at 1:00 p.m.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=1166607
Alice Patterson Seales  Alvin S Seales

http://obits.abqjournal.com/obits/show/124388
Published on: Fri January 29, 1999
..............
Seales -- Alice (Pat) Seales, passed away Wednesday morning, January 27, 1999, at Sunrise Mission Manor Care and Rehabilitation. She was 91 years old. She was preceded in death by her husband, Alvin S. Seales; and her son, William Whaley. She is survived by her daughter-in-law, Dorothy Whaley; and grandchildren, Jamy Peevy and her husband, Gregg, Bill Whaley and his wife, Dee. Memorial services will take place at a later date. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Sandia Hospice, 4775 Indian School Rd. NE, Suite 310, Albuquerque, NM 87110.

The title of the thread describes the stories of the rather leisurely escape transport modes of "the lone assassin with a scrambled egg for a brain," as "innocent Bus and Cab rides".

Can we at least stipulate both "escape ride stories" are only as innocent as the presenters of them? In this thread I have established that Mary Bledsoe was the first cousin of RD Matthew's first cousin, "Jake" Germany, son of Bledsoe's uncle Jewell Rawlston Germany and Matthew's aunt, Adelaide Senter Germany.
In this earler post in this thread,

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3071.msg115670.html#msg115670

..I established that Matthews and Jake Germany were born about a year apart and resided in a household in 1930 that included the two boys, the two Senter sisters (Matthew's mother and her sister Adelaide, Bledsoe's aunt by marriage) and the grandmother of both boys, Ida Senter.

In 1961, the record available @Mary Ferrell archive supports that the ex-wife of RD Matthews and mother of his daughter contacted law enforcement out of concern that her teen aged daughter had gone to visit Matthews and the ex-wife was concerned Matthews would turn their own daughter out as a prostitute.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=115165#relPageId=10


Considering RD Matthew's associations and reputation as an enforcer of gambling debt collection, IOW, a "bone breaker," is it not conceivable he was "pulling the strings" of the nearly incoherent "witness," Mary Bledsoe?

In the past, WC Report "custodians" posting on this forum attempted to explain away the evidence-rich observation that, sometime after 1940, taxi driver, WC witness William W. Whaley changed his d.o.b. from June 19, 1908, to June 19, 1905. If Whaley lied about that, and lied in claiming to Aynesworth that he was awarded the Navy Cross for combat activity "over Iwo Jima" in 1945, how would he not be relegated to the "circus clown" witness status of Earline Roberts of, "I had to let her go.... she is a teller of tall tales," as described in the WC testimony of Gladys Johnson, owner of the North Beckley rooming house Earline Roberts was employed in on 11/22/63 as the housekeeper?

One WCR "custodian" explained away the fact that Whaley moving his birth year from 1905 resulted in his mother, Lona Haynes Elam, being impregnated at age 15 and marrying in 1907, two years after Whaley's birth,  by speculating that Whaley was in fact born in 1905 and the 1908 birth year in all Whaley related records up to and including his 1940 military draft registration record, and in the Whaley family bible and in a genealogy published in 1935 (see image, above) were to conceal Whaley's mother's shame over giving birth two years before marrying Whaley's father, Oscar?

So... my question is, who was caring for the "baby Whaley" allegedly born on June 19, 1905, while Whaley's mother was living as a typical teen ager, seven months later, in Fedruary, 1906?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/53993969/lona-haynes-whaley
Lona Haynes Elam Whaley

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth816095/m1/6/?q=%22lona%20elam%22


These incidents took place just two weeks before the birth on June 19, 1908, of the William Wayne Whaley of Dallas who registered for the military draft in 1940, providing that d.o.b. to the local draft board. Lona Elam Whaley's mother died in 1903, so was absent when her father and two siblings journeyed from Shelbyville, TN to participate in family activity related to the impending birth (and after) of "the other" William Wayne Whaley!

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth816243/m1/8/?q=oscar%20whaley
June 5, 1908


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111783808/eliza-j-whaley

[Bill Chapman]

Looks like it would be easy enough to throw CTers/JAQers/OAKers/HSDOers off-the-scent by simply heading off in a direction opposite 1056, then pulling a (walking) U-turn asa Whaley disappears from sight.




billchapman

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, RE your PS, what you state is in the report by Kelley you refer to (page 626), top of second paragraph. I haven't seen bus-to-theater told elsewhere....or I might have misunderstood your question.

Page 626 WR.....   "In response to questions put by Captain Fritz,Oswald said that immediately after having left the building where he worked, he went by bus to the theater where he was arrested;  that when he got on the bus he secured a transfer and thereafter transferred to other buses to get to his destination".

Thank you, Otto....  This statement by Kelly doesn't fit with the many other reports of those who were there at the interrogation ....

No other interrogator reported that Lee said that he rode a city bus to the theater.    I believe that he did in fact ride a bus from the rooming house to the theater....but he had forgot to take the transfer with him when he left the rooming house and therefore simply paid the bus fare when he boarded the bus.   

Naturally this bit of information has been omitted in the various reports  because if Lee rode a bus from his rooming house to the Theater then of course he couldn't have been the man who shot JD Tippit.

I thought that I had read somewhere that Lee said that he rode a bus to the theater......   Perhaps this report by Thomas kelley is the account I had read..... ??