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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2021, 06:31:19 PM »
The Dan Rather video shows how the bag could have been carried.  I'm not sure why you believe the condition of the other end somehow precludes it from being the bag Oswald carried.  The witness description is vague "kind of" and "sort of."  The level of detail on the photos doesn't make the condition of the bag obvious and that end of the bag does appear to have been crumpled as though wrapped or folded around the end of the rifle as shown in the Rather video.  Nothing about the condition of CE 142 precludes it from having been used to carry the rifle.  To the contrary, it has Oswald's prints on it.  No one else who ever worked in the TSBD claimed the bag or accounted for it being there. It appears to be a singular type bag for that building as no other such bag is shown in any photos or was apparently discovered.  There is no doubt this is bag Oswald carried that morning.

The witness description is vague "kind of" and "sort of."

Right who needs witnesses when you can go with "the bag could have been carried"  :D

Nothing about the condition of CE 142 precludes it from having been used to carry the rifle.

Except for the fact that the witnesses who saw that bag Oswald carried and denied CE 142 is it..... A minor detail, right?

There is no doubt this is bag Oswald carried that morning.

Only in the mind of a fanatical LN fool who ignores the evidence.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2021, 07:00:34 PM »
From the first day affidavit.

"It must have been about 2' long, and the top of the sack was sort of folded up, and the rest of the sack had been kind of folded under."

Whatever your interpretation of his description, can you provide any image of the bag known as CE 142 that could match it?



I assume the lighter paper is the top flap that closes over the open end of the makeshift bag.
If the bag is folded as Frazier reports - top flap closed and part of the bag folded under - it is clearly not long enough to hold a rifle, assembled or not.
If the bottom part of the bag is folded at the closest crease to the bottom, the bag appears, from some very rough measurements I've just done, to be the perfect length to carry a set of the curtain rods found in the Paine garage.

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2021, 07:01:31 PM »
The Dan Rather video shows how the bag could have been carried.  I'm not sure why you believe the condition of the other end somehow precludes it from being the bag Oswald carried.  The witness description is vague "kind of" and "sort of."  The level of detail on the photos doesn't make the condition of the bag obvious and that end of the bag does appear to have been crumpled as though wrapped or folded around the end of the rifle as shown in the Rather video.  Nothing about the condition of CE 142 precludes it from having been used to carry the rifle.  To the contrary, it has Oswald's prints on it.  No one else who ever worked in the TSBD claimed the bag or accounted for it being there. It appears to be a singular type bag for that building as no other such bag is shown in any photos or was apparently discovered.  There is no doubt this is bag Oswald carried that morning.

How long was the bag?

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2021, 07:04:44 PM »


I assume the lighter paper is the top flap that closes over the open end of the makeshift bag.
If the bag is folded as Frazier reports - top flap closed and part of the bag folded under - it is clearly not long enough to hold a rifle, assembled or not.
If the bottom part of the bag is folded at the closest crease to the bottom, the bag appears, from some very rough measurements I've just done, to be the perfect length to carry a set of the curtain rods found in the Paine garage.

Dan I believe there is not a fold at the very left end, merely one side of the open end of the bag curled away from the rest. Can anyone see any evidence that the open end was ever sealed?
« Last Edit: April 11, 2021, 07:10:30 PM by Colin Crow »

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #158 on: April 11, 2021, 07:07:46 PM »
How long was the bag?

I make it about 37" with the top flap closed

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #159 on: April 11, 2021, 07:17:14 PM »
Dan I believe there is not a fold at the very left end, merely one side of the open end of the bag curled away from the rest. Can anyone see any evidence that the open end was ever sealed?

I was thinking the open end of the bag was to the right and that the lighter coloured paper was a flap that went over the open end.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #160 on: April 11, 2021, 07:23:58 PM »


Note the stain. There is one end sealed, the open end is crinkled.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2021, 07:25:33 PM by Colin Crow »