Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?

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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #196 on: February 01, 2024, 06:58:24 AM »
    Why are you fixated on "the fence"? That general direction is possible, but limiting a shot(s) to the fence is far too restrictive. The TENT/TARP that was placed over the entire area from the Pergola down to The Steps would indicate that this area was damaged and needed repair. Of course, this is the same space in which Gordon Arnold was accosted after a shot was fired past his (L) ear.
If the arnold area was the first or last of Hickey's autoburst then it is difficult to account for some or all of the possible Hickey shots.


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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #197 on: February 01, 2024, 07:16:34 PM »
If the arnold area was the first or last of Hickey's autoburst then it is difficult to account for some or all of the possible Hickey shots.



   You have No idea as to how many possible shots SA Hickey might have fired.  Personally, I believe a shot fired from the AR-15 would have penetrated that chrome trim. Not dinged it. If it was a possible AR-15 bullet fragment, that fragment should have remained inside the Limo and then been recovered. A chrome strip of any kind is flimsy. It's not hardened steel or anything close to that.
   I do believe there was damage done to that area below/(S) of the Shelter behind Zapruder. There's a concrete walkway that runs between that Shelter and The Steps. The TARP/TENT covering this same area that is visible on the SS recreation footage is proof of work being done on this area. Probably concrete work. We know for a FACT that the Black Dog Man Nook was modified in order for the short wall section to snugly intersect with The Steps. On 11/22/63 that short wall did NOT intersect with The Steps. Footage of people running UP The Steps after the assassination clearly shows a GAP between that short wall and The Steps. Today, there is NO GAP.
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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #198 on: February 01, 2024, 07:58:52 PM »
   You have No idea as to how many possible shots SA Hickey might have fired.  Personally, I believe a shot fired from the AR-15 would have penetrated that chrome trim. Not dinged it. If it was a possible AR-15 bullet fragment, that fragment should have remained inside the Limo and then been recovered. A chrome strip of any kind is flimsy. It's not hardened steel or anything close to that.
   I do believe there was damage done to that area below/(S) of the Shelter behind Zapruder. There's a concrete walkway that runs between that Shelter and The Steps. The TARP/TENT covering this same area that is visible on the SS recreation footage is proof of work being done on this area. Probably concrete work. We know for a FACT that the Black Dog Man Nook was modified in order for the short wall section to snugly intersect with The Steps. On 11/22/63 that short wall did NOT intersect with The Steps. Footage of people running UP The Steps after the assassination clearly shows a GAP between that short wall and The Steps. Today, there is NO GAP.
The chromed strip was probly stainless steel, very hard, & it had a crimp, & an air gap to the tubular steel windshield frame.
The hollow point AR15 0.223 slug hit the crimp first. The slug fragmented into smithereens, firstly mainly down (as per the crimp) damaging the rear view mirror. Then the small bits of lead splattered all round at 360deg, mainly backwards, making a large smooth crater, & probly no remnant slug, but in any case the remnant slug would have ended up in Elm St.
SSA Floyd Boring who inspected the AR15 after, said that an auto burst would consist of at least 2 or 3 shots. I have said that based on the evidence the auto burst was of at least 4 shots, probly 5, possibly 6.

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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #199 on: February 01, 2024, 08:02:08 PM »
In the pix we can see that a puny chrome stripe over thin sheet steel can stop a handgun slug.
The JFK limo had a big chrome trim (usually stainless steel)(very hard) over a say 3" by 1.5" steel tube (much tougher than the sheet steel of the door in the pix), & Hickey's AR15 slug was a say 55grain hollow point & not full metal jacket. Dent shown in bottom pix.




As can be seen a thin flimsy bit of chromed strip can stop a bullet. No penetration.

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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #200 on: February 01, 2024, 09:50:22 PM »
As can be seen a thin flimsy bit of chromed strip can stop a bullet. No penetration.

    We are discussing the Possible DAMAGE inflicted by an AR-15. Not a "handgun".
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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #201 on: February 01, 2024, 10:06:44 PM »
    We are discussing the Possible DAMAGE inflicted by an AR-15. Not a "handgun".
Yes. But i could not find a pix of an AR15 strike on a chrome stainless steel strip.
My pix of the handgun strike shows that a chrome strip (probly mild steel not stainless in that pix) has a lot of stopping power.
The best thing that anyone can do today is to make an exemplar of the jfklimo windshield & test a hollow point AR15 strike (which will not penetrate the chrome trim)(which will show that Hickey made the dent).

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Re: Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?
« Reply #202 on: February 01, 2024, 10:55:00 PM »
As can be seen a thin flimsy bit of chromed strip can stop a bullet. No penetration.

It's about time this came up again as it is so important. It does like a complete bullet buried itself there and compressed along its centerline (looks like you can actually see the flattened bullet there).
Obviously not a fragment of a bullet fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD (downward shot).

The windscreen impact/hole happened earlier because we can see it in the Altgens photo (at the moment of the back/neck shot) - so not from the theorised Hickey accident.
So which shot caused that windscreen impact LNers?
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