LHO's shirt

[Walt Cakebread]

You did a very important thing here, Mr Speer 

A simple thought occurs re. the part I've highlighted above: the very last thing a guilty man would do is tell the police exactly where to find the shirt which, being the one he was wearing at the time he fired the rifle, could well contain incriminating forensic evidence.

the very last thing a guilty man would do is tell the police exactly where to find the shirt which, being the one he was wearing at the time he fired the rifle, could well contain incriminating forensic evidence.

    Excellent reasoning Mr F...  I've never doubted that Lee simply told Fritz the truth about the clothes that he wore at the TSBD that morning.   So I never examined the matter as you have here, but I believe that you're right.

The shirt episode has been brushed aside and distorted by the FBI and the DPD.    Hoover was embarrassed and furious, when he learned that the FBI had been given the wrong shirt and they had been put in the position of verifing that the tuft of fibers from the butt plate had came from the arrest shirt and that shirt had no connection to the murder of JFK because it was not the shirt that Lee wore at the TSBD that morning.   I believe that this discovery was the primary reason that the evidence was returned to the DPD. Hoover told Curry that he'd better get this staightened out or else....     

Consequently the DPD dressed an imposter in the arrest shirt and paraded him before cameras while being held by the elbow by a DPD detective ....   And it also is the reason they took the arrest shirt out to Mrs Bledsoe so she would say it was the shirt she saw Lee Oswald wearing on the bus.

[William Pilgrim]

I got the feeling they considered me a nuisance. I contacted them and asked them if the original evidence photos were in color or black and white, and if I could buy a copy if they'd been in color. They told me they had copies of the original photos that were black and white, and that the JFK Library had the originals. I then contacted the JFK Library and they said the archives was blowing smoke, and that they--the archives--had all the evidence photos. I then re-contacted the archives and said that if they couldn't find the photos they should take color photos of the items of clothing in which I'd expressed an interest, and put them up on their website, as the only released photos were in black and white. This got bumped up to the top. After about two months of back and forth, I finally got an answer--that they'd agreed to take the photos for me--for a price. It then took another month or so for them to agree on a price, and to work out the method of payment. The man in charge--the top guy on the JFK records, as I recall--then took a vacation, and apparently forgot all about our agreement. After about another month, I finally gave in and emailed him to remind him of our deal. A few weeks later I received a CD-rom in the mail with the photos I'd requested, along with an explanation that they were my property, and I could do with them as I wished. Now, this last part is interesting. I'd initially asked them to put the images up on their website--so that people could see whether or not Oswald was telling the truth about his placing a dirty reddish shirt in a drawer--and instead they sent the images to me. I took from this that the powers that be had no interest in adding any images suggestive of Oswald's innocence to the Archives' website.

I think Pat's analysis that the REDDISH BROWN shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR had been subject to forensic testing (his photograph of the collar with the four initials) is a red flag when considering whether LHO fired a rifle on the morning of the assassination.
Presumably this testing was negative as a positive test would have cemented LHO's guilt and would have been broadcast to the wider public by law enforcement.

Surely this must put doubt in the mind of those who believe in the LN theory?

The only argument that could be used against this is that LHO took off his shirt and fired the rifle while wearing the white T shirt and then put his shirt back on, however, it doesn't seem logical to do this, particularly if you believe that he had to then wipe down the rifle, hide it amongst the boxes and then rush downstairs within 90 seconds (if you believe the LN theory). 

[Alan Ford]

I think Pat's analysis that the REDDISH BROWN shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR had been subject to forensic testing (his photograph of the collar with the four initials) is a red flag when considering whether LHO fired a rifle on the morning of the assassination.
Presumably this testing was negative as a positive test would have cemented LHO's guilt and would have been broadcast to the wider public by law enforcement.

Had the reddish shirt been found in, say, a trash can near Mr Oswald's rooming house, then that would speak to guilt. Instead we have the very opposite---------a suspect who helpfully points the police to the shirt he was wearing at work that day.

Surely this must put doubt in the mind of those who believe in the LN theory?

The only argument that could be used against this is that LHO took off his shirt and fired the rifle while wearing the white T shirt and then put his shirt back on, however, it doesn't seem logical to do this, particularly if you believe that he had to then wipe down the rifle, hide it amongst the boxes and then rush downstairs within 90 seconds (if you believe the LN theory).

Same logic applies: why would a guilty man not change tshirts at the rooming house-----------and dispose of the tshirt he'd been wearing when he fired the rifle?

[Dan O'meara]

Had the reddish shirt been found in, say, a trash can near Mr Oswald's rooming house, then that would speak to guilt. Instead we have the very opposite---------a suspect who helpfully points the police to the shirt he was wearing at work that day.

Same logic applies: why would a guilty man not change tshirts at the rooming house-----------and dispose of the tshirt he'd been wearing when he fired the rifle?

And none of the witnesses who saw someone on the 6th floor describe a reddish shirt

[Alan Ford]

And none of the witnesses who saw someone on the 6th floor describe a reddish shirt

Exactly------------a light-colored shirt or sport shirt (i.e. with collar)

[Walt Cakebread]

I think Pat's analysis that the REDDISH BROWN shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR had been subject to forensic testing (his photograph of the collar with the four initials) is a red flag when considering whether LHO fired a rifle on the morning of the assassination.
Presumably this testing was negative as a positive test would have cemented LHO's guilt and would have been broadcast to the wider public by law enforcement.

Surely this must put doubt in the mind of those who believe in the LN theory?

The only argument that could be used against this is that LHO took off his shirt and fired the rifle while wearing the white T shirt and then put his shirt back on, however, it doesn't seem logical to do this, particularly if you believe that he had to then wipe down the rifle, hide it amongst the boxes and then rush downstairs within 90 seconds (if you believe the LN theory).

that LHO took off his shirt and fired the rifle while wearing the white T shirt and then put his shirt back on, however, it doesn't seem logical to do this, particularly if you believe that he had to then wipe down the rifle, hide it amongst the boxes and then rush downstairs within 90 seconds (if you believe the LN theory).

 LHO took off his shirt and fired the rifle while wearing the white T shirt

There were several witnesses on the street who saw a man behind a sixth floor window....ALL of them reported the man was wearing a light colored sport shirt with a collar.... NONE of them described  a  white T shirt.

 wipe down the rifle,

The fact that the rifle had been wiped clean of finger prints indicates that Lee wasn't the person who hid it.   If Lee had hid the rifle he would have known that the rifle could easily be traced to him so wiping it wouldn't have made sense....In fact he wouldn't have left the rifle where it could be found so easily ( if he had fired the rifle, or knew that JFK was going to be murdered.) 

hide it amongst the boxes

The rifle was WELL HIDDEN, ( Boone and Weitzman needed  flashlights to see the rifle)  and not hastily jammed into a place that was about 13 feet from the North Wall.  Two DPD detectives drew maps of the sixth floor "crime scene"  and both of their
 diagrams placed the rifle ON THE FLOOR--- 15  FEET  4 INCHES from the North wall.....  and four feet down at the bottom  of a crevasse that had a "lid" of boxes covering the top of the crevasse.

[Rick Plant]

Mary Bledsoe had the best view and recollection of Oswald's shirt. She said he wore a long sleeve brown colored shirt that was dirty. She stated there was missing buttons with a torn elbow and the front had a hole in it.