LHO's shirt

[Walt Cakebread]

they matched the fibers of The shirt that Oswald Was NOT wearing at time of shooting LOL to fibers “stuck” to the rifle butt, WTF??

when this little detail was pointed out by Walt YARNS ago, one excuse given was that the fibers supposedly “found “ in the alleged “bag” (but not photo in SN)  was  consistent with BOTH shirts which is even MORE LOL!

I love your play-on-words, Mr M. .....  And it makes me grin...However the tuft of yarn is no laughing matter.

The lie that the tuft of fibers matched the shirt that Lee was wearing was one of the major lies that tricked us suckers into believing that he had murdered president Kennedy.

[Pat Speer]

Walt,

Was not trying to state that the LHO arrest shirt was the same as the one you informed me about at the rooming house, was just unsure as to whether the REDDISH BROWN shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR that you mentioned was proven to be the one worn on the morning of the assassination, hence my question as to whether it had been forensically tested.

I had read about LHO changing his clothes when he returned to the rooming house but I was unsure as to the 'consensus' (that word again) around his pre and post 1:00 pm attire.

I am happy to accept that he changed his clothes and that the shirt is the one Alan has highlighted above. Are there people who dispute this?

It is important that their is clarity around this as how this is answered impacts other events of that day.

For example,

If LHO changed his working clothes at the rooming house then

The witness statements of the bus passenger Blesdoe and the taxi driver Whaley do not stand up as they both describe him wearing the shirt he was arrested in at the TT.

Some of the debate and analysis around the evidence for LHO being outside the TSBD as the motorcade drives by rely on photographs that compare the shirt worn by the figure in the photograph with the shape and contours of the LHO shirt that he did not wear until 1:00pm.


It just seems to me that we should know the fact of what he was wearing as this ripples through the events of that day and can be used to discount certain testimonies and theories that are at variance to this known fact.


Does the forum know if the REDDISH BROWN shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR and the grey pants are still held as evidence somewhere and could modern scientific forensics examine them for evidence of firearms?

William, I contacted the Archives a few years back and asked for its help in determining if the light brown shirt they had in their collection was in fact the "reddish" shirt Oswald claimed he'd been wearing on the day of the shooting. After months of haggling, and working out the financial details (I had to pay them), they sent me some hi-res color photos of the shirt, which turned out to be reddish. One of these is presented above.

As shown on my website, moreover, one of the photos they sent me showed the inner collar of the shirt, and the initials of a multitude of FBI experts. This led me to believe that yessiree the shirt was tested for nitrates among other things and that the results of these tests were kept from the public. (There is no published report discussing any tests performed on this shirt.)

[Alan Ford]

As shown on my website, moreover, one of the photos they sent me showed the inner collar of the shirt, and the initials of a multitude of FBI experts. This led me to believe that yessiree the shirt was tested for nitrates among other things and that the results of these tests were kept from the public. (There is no published report discussing any tests performed on this shirt.)

This NB! 

[Walt Cakebread]

William, I contacted the Archives a few years back and asked for its help in determining if the light brown shirt they had in their collection was in fact the "reddish" shirt Oswald claimed he'd been wearing on the day of the shooting. After months of haggling, and working out the financial details (I had to pay them), they sent me some hi-res color photos of the shirt, which turned out to be reddish. One of these is presented above.

As shown on my website, moreover, one of the photos they sent me showed the inner collar of the shirt, and the initials of a multitude of FBI experts. This led me to believe that yessiree the shirt was tested for nitrates among other things and that the results of these tests were kept from the public. (There is no published report discussing any tests performed on this shirt.)

yessiree the shirt was tested for nitrates among other things and that the results of these tests were kept from the public. (There is no published report discussing any tests performed on this shirt.)

Thanks for posting that info , Mr. Speer......  Surely you don't believe that Mr John Edgar Hoover (aka; Mr Dazzling All American Hero  ) would have ordered the results of the tests to be kept hidden from the public?   I'd hasten to remind you that Mr Golden Boy created the memo that he wanted released to the suckers. The memo that would convince the suckers that Lee Harvey Oswald was the arch villain who had shot the president for no reason, and he had no accomplices.   

Don't you know that Mr Golden Boy Hoover had investigated and determined in just 24 hours,  that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin, and he wanted LBJ to inform the pissants.   

[Walt Cakebread]

William, I contacted the Archives a few years back and asked for its help in determining if the light brown shirt they had in their collection was in fact the "reddish" shirt Oswald claimed he'd been wearing on the day of the shooting. After months of haggling, and working out the financial details (I had to pay them), they sent me some hi-res color photos of the shirt, which turned out to be reddish. One of these is presented above.

As shown on my website, moreover, one of the photos they sent me showed the inner collar of the shirt, and the initials of a multitude of FBI experts. This led me to believe that yessiree the shirt was tested for nitrates among other things and that the results of these tests were kept from the public. (There is no published report discussing any tests performed on this shirt.)

After months of haggling, and working out the financial details (I had to pay them), they sent me some hi-res color photos of the shirt,

This is interesting, Pat.    Did you get the feeling that they were draggin their feet, and stalling in hope that you'd throw up your hands and quit.   You're not the first who has had trouble getting information from the archives.

Do you think that they at the archives are required to notify some agency and receive permission before they can release information to certain people.

[Pat Speer]

After months of haggling, and working out the financial details (I had to pay them), they sent me some hi-res color photos of the shirt,

This is interesting, Pat.    Did you get the feeling that they were draggin their feet, and stalling in hope that you'd throw up your hands and quit.   You're not the first who has had trouble getting information from the archives.

Do you think that they at the archives are required to notify some agency and receive permission before they can release information to certain people.

I got the feeling they considered me a nuisance. I contacted them and asked them if the original evidence photos were in color or black and white, and if I could buy a copy if they'd been in color. They told me they had copies of the original photos that were black and white, and that the JFK Library had the originals. I then contacted the JFK Library and they said the archives was blowing smoke, and that they--the archives--had all the evidence photos. I then re-contacted the archives and said that if they couldn't find the photos they should take color photos of the items of clothing in which I'd expressed an interest, and put them up on their website, as the only released photos were in black and white. This got bumped up to the top. After about two months of back and forth, I finally got an answer--that they'd agreed to take the photos for me--for a price. It then took another month or so for them to agree on a price, and to work out the method of payment. The man in charge--the top guy on the JFK records, as I recall--then took a vacation, and apparently forgot all about our agreement. After about another month, I finally gave in and emailed him to remind him of our deal. A few weeks later I received a CD-rom in the mail with the photos I'd requested, along with an explanation that they were my property, and I could do with them as I wished. Now, this last part is interesting. I'd initially asked them to put the images up on their website--so that people could see whether or not Oswald was telling the truth about his placing a dirty reddish shirt in a drawer--and instead they sent the images to me. I took from this that the powers that be had no interest in adding any images suggestive of Oswald's innocence to the Archives' website.

[Alan Ford]

I got the feeling they considered me a nuisance. I contacted them and asked them if the original evidence photos were in color or black and white, and if I could buy a copy if they'd been in color. They told me they had copies of the original photos that were black and white, and that the JFK Library had the originals. I then contacted the JFK Library and they said the archives was blowing smoke, and that they--the archives--had all the evidence photos. I then re-contacted the archives and said that if they couldn't find the photos they should take color photos of the items of clothing in which I'd expressed an interest, and put them up on their website, as the only released photos were in black and white. This got bumped up to the top. After about two months of back and forth, I finally got an answer--that they'd agreed to take the photos for me--for a price. It then took another month or so for them to agree on a price, and to work out the method of payment. The man in charge--the top guy on the JFK records, as I recall--then took a vacation, and apparently forgot all about our agreement. After about another month, I finally gave in and emailed him to remind him of our deal. A few weeks later I received a CD-rom in the mail with the photos I'd requested, along with an explanation that they were my property, and I could do with them as I wished. Now, this last part is interesting. I'd initially asked them to put the images up on their website--so that people could see whether or not Oswald was telling the truth about his placing a dirty reddish shirt in a drawer--and instead they sent the images to me. I took from this that the powers that be had no interest in adding any images suggestive of Oswald's innocence to the Archives' website.

You did a very important thing here, Mr Speer 

A simple thought occurs re. the part I've highlighted above: the very last thing a guilty man would do is tell the police exactly where to find the shirt which, being the one he was wearing at the time he fired the rifle, could well contain incriminating forensic evidence.