Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2021, 07:52:20 PM »
I wouldn’t call the people that plotted to kill JFK sincere patriots. Or should I rephrase that, the people that plotted and killed JFK were not patriots.

True, J.E. Hoover and LBJ knew that it was about to happen. Hoover probably knew because he was connected to the mob. He used to go to the race track with Frank Costello. LBJ knew because he had mentioned that all will be good tomorrow to his girlfriend the night before the assassination. Marcello’s territory included Dallas so I am sure there were connections between Marcello and LBJ. I had read somewhere that Marcello was paying LBJ $50k a month when he was in the white house.

Hoover was owned by the mob, they had pictures of Hoover and his boyfriend so he was solidly in the mobs pocket. When I mention the “mob” I specifically mean Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante and above them, Frank Costello.

The main reason that the mob did it was because the Kennedy family double crossed the mob. Joseph Kennedy Sr had promised the mob that they would be left alone if they helped get his son, JFK elected president. Once in the white house JFK selects his brother RFK to be attorney general of the US. The mob hated RFK because of how he dragged the mobsters over the coals during the McClellan committee hearings. I think the straw that broke the camel’s back was when RFK had Marcello kidnapped and eventually released him and his lawyer out in a Central American jungle with no food, protection or anything to fend for themselves.

True, J.E. Hoover and LBJ knew that it was about to happen.

LBJ wasn't part of the plot planning.....But he knew about the plot, and aided the plotters by agreeing to provide cover for the killers if they succeeded and he held the reins of power after the coup d e'tat.    Personally....I believe that LBJ gave to signal to proceed with the ambush after his car turned onto Houston street and he saw something (The red rings in the windows of the TSBD)  that told him that  everything was ready and set....

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2021, 11:18:03 PM »
Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots Murderous Traitors?
Uhh... let me guess--I would say yeah.

Offline Michael Carney

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2021, 12:00:41 AM »
I don’t see LBJ being part of the plot but I did read somewhere that he ducked down when the first shot was fired. Everyone one else thought it was a car backfiring or a firecracker, not LBJ.
An interesting side note, Gianni Russo was a runner for Frank Costello and he went down to New Orleans on Nov 18, 1963, to pick up a message from Carlos Marcello and return it to Frank Costello. The message from Carlos to Frank said “it’s on”.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2021, 09:54:13 PM »
I don’t see LBJ being part of the plot but I did read somewhere that he ducked down when the first shot was fired.
Nah....That's not true. He just pulled Lady Bird down on top of him. R U kidding? Of course he was part of the plot. Read this---
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THE GUNS OF DALLAS
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https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html
 
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The message from Carlos to Frank said “it’s on”.
Right  :-\

Offline Michael Carney

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2021, 04:13:41 AM »
Ducking, pulling Lady Bird on top of him, same thing, he hid when the shooting started. And for him to hide behind or underneath Lady Bird, what a piece of crap.

As far as LBJ being part of the plot, nothing in that article says anything about that except; Before he died, LBJ told his old friend Tom Janos “that he knew Oswald had not killed JFK alone.” This does not mean LBJ had any part in it other than knowing it was going happen and that more were involved than Oswald. LBJ knew the mob did it.
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Offline Michael Carney

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2021, 08:34:14 PM »
If you are still "undecided" check out page 78 in "Hollywood Godfather" by Gianni Russo, towards the bottom of the page you will find; "tell Frank, it's on", words of Carlos Marcello for Frank Costello.
For all of you unfamiliar with Gianni Russo he started working for Frank Costello while in his early teens as a runner. While working for Frank when he was sixteen he got involved with Marilyn Monroe. Gianni wound up in the movie "The Godfather" playing the role of Carlo Rizzi, the husband of Connie Corleone. He became very successful in Las Vegas with his own nite club frequented by the Hollywood elite.

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Re: Were the JFK Assassination Plotters Sincere Patriots?
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2021, 08:10:59 PM »
How about we pin the responsibility on the mob with help from Hoover and some small amount from LBJ.