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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #882 on: December 31, 2021, 05:10:42 AM »



Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #883 on: December 31, 2021, 05:16:30 AM »
Question!

Why are there two different versions of this document?



Better question!

What crucial detail gets lost from the color original to the more faded black/white copy?

Possible answer!

The decimal point in 27.5

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #884 on: December 31, 2021, 07:47:23 AM »
If  rods were found by some TSBD employee , they were probably still in the paper bag they were carried in, since Oswald didn’t take the bag o rods with him when he left the TSBD to catch the bus or taxi or get in rambler station wagon driven by DC man

That bag probably had Oswalds prints in it, but the Fritz team decided not use the bag to frame Oswald
 probably because:

A. The bag was probably only about 28” in length
B. The bag probably still had a mail address to Paines residence since those rods ( and blinds too) had been mail ordered by Mrs Paine and were left on a shelf in the garage still in that same bag.

Oswald probably just took the whole bag with rods AND blinds off the shelf early morning of Nov 23/63 and left to walk over to BW Frazier’s house so Mrs Paine wouldn’t see him carrying the package.

Why didn’t the speculative Person who found these rods come forward and declare such finding?

Probably because they met with a car accident like Lee Bowers soon after turning in the bag to the DPD?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #885 on: December 31, 2021, 11:49:53 PM »

Why didn’t the speculative Person who found these rods come forward and declare such finding?

They did--------the rods were turned over to the 'investigating' authorities

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Probably because they met with a car accident like Lee Bowers soon after turning in the bag to the DPD?

No-----------they were shown this as proof that the matter had been 'thoroughly investigated':



If that person nevertheless at some point in the future were to come forward and talk about having found two rods marked '27.5' & '27.6' in the Depository after the assassination, then their claim could be dismissed as an 'obvious hoax' on the basis of the now publicly known fact that two rods taken from the Paine garage were marked as Commission Exhibits 275 & 276.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #886 on: December 31, 2021, 11:54:47 PM »
They did--------the rods were turned over to the 'investigating' authorities

No-----------they were shown this as proof that the matter had been 'thoroughly investigated':



If that person nevertheless at some point in the future were to come forward and talk about having found two rods marked '27.5' & '27.6' in the Depository after the assassination, then their claim could be dismissed as an 'obvious hoax' on the basis of the now publicly known fact that two rods taken from the Paine garage were marked as Commission Exhibits 275 & 276.

Not this debunked nonsense yet again!  Why would the rods be marked 27.5 and 27.6?  LOL.  And there are no such decimal points.  Those are the WC exhibit numbers assigned to the curtain rods removed from Paine's garage - 275 and 276.  Unbelievable.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #887 on: January 01, 2022, 12:11:21 AM »
Not this debunked nonsense yet again!  Why would the rods be marked 27.5 and 27.6?

Already explained, Mr Smith---------those were the exact length markings

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  LOL.  And there are no such decimal points.

Oh but there is for '27.5'. The ink for '27.6' may simply not have transferred if Lt. Day was writing in haste

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Those are the WC exhibit numbers assigned to the curtain rods removed from Paine's garage - 275 and 276.  Unbelievable.

Unbelievable indeed that two curtain rods from the Paine garage would be
a) submitted to the lab
b) marked with those numbers
8 days before being
a) taken from the Paine garage
b) marked with those numbers.

What you or your Warren Gullible friends have never been able to explain, Mr Smith, is why the numbers 275 and 276 were assigned by the WC to the Paine garage curtain rods in the first place. Why those numbers? Hm? Have you got an answer?

Thought not!  :D

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #888 on: January 01, 2022, 01:23:19 AM »
Now! Let us reconstruct some of the steps.....

1. Two curtain rods marked with the digits 2-7-5 and 2-7-6 are found in the Depository at some point after the assassination. The employee who finds them likely takes note of their appearance and of the markings, and likely mentions the discovery to several colleagues

2. The employee civic-mindedly brings the find to the attention of the 'investigating' authorities, who promise to look into the matter thoroughly

3. On the morning of 15 March the two rods are submitted to the Crime Lab by Agent Howlett for testing for Mr Oswald's fingerprints. Agent Howlett emerges with a B/W copy of the sign-in sheet that looks like this (alterations=erasures in the below image by me, A.F.):



4. Nine days later, Agent Howlett returns and the two rods are released back to him. He emerges with a copy of the form that now has had release details added:



5. This, however, is NOT the version of the form that will go into public evidence in the WC volumes. What the public will see will be this, with a different sign-out date, newly written (though identical) time and new signature from Lt. Day:



This new version has been created using not the (colored ink) original but a copy made 3/15/64. Here once again is what THAT copy would have looked like: