57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?

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Offline Ross Lidell

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2020, 08:22:20 AM »
Does it matter how Americans interpret the events that occurred on November 22, 1963?

I believe it was a conspiracy and one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century.

I’m not the type of person who typically believes in Conspiracy Theories but I think there’s enough smoke or inconsistencies in the Kennedy assassination evidence for people to reasonably speculate that there were others involved.

I don’t think we’ll ever reach the point where most people agree on what happened that fateful day in Dallas.

Does it matter whether someone believes Oswald acted alone or whether someone believes there was a conspiracy?

There are credible arguments for both ends of the spectrum and we’ll never know beyond all doubt what really happened or why it happened...

Smoke, speculate, inconsistencies.

How about conjecture? That would almost constitute evidence.  ::)
« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 11:45:27 PM by Ross Lidell »

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2020, 07:11:28 PM »
Most accept what they see on the TV documentaries...highly conforming to the official rap. I saw this one program on a history type channel just last night claiming that Oswald's prints were all over 'HIS' rifle. So remove any doubt...the media and government will never lie to you

You're absolutely right, Jerry....... The government lies , and their propaganda agency regurgitates the lie and invents convincing information to convince the suckers that the governments tale is the truth.

Offline Joffrey van de Wiel

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2020, 04:11:40 PM »
You're absolutely right, Jerry....... The government lies , and their propaganda agency regurgitates the lie and invents convincing information to convince the suckers that the governments tale is the truth.

Last week I watched a BBC documentary about a 'third rate burglary' in other words the Watergate Affair. The British excel in these types of programs, in a way they still "rule the waves" I suppose.

It showed how a high-level conspiracy worked and was organized. In this case, the President expressed his desire to develop a political intelligence capability after leaks of classified information to the press. His wish was sent down the White House hierarchy through Haldeman and Ehrlichman, at a point people who had experience in covert operations like Hunt and Liddy got involved, who in turn hired the Cubans to execute the burglary and install the wire tapping devices.

Not sure if something like this happened in the JFK assassination, as spying on the opposing political party and enemies of the state is a whole different ballgame than the murder of a US president. And just look how quickly the Watergate cover-up collapsed.

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2020, 06:39:00 PM »
Conclusions reached by the HSCA: "The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." "It is probable that more than one person was involved in the President's murder. That fact compels acceptance and it demands a re-examination of all that was thought to be true".

The many obvious similarities between the JFK assassination and the reasons which forced president Nixon to resign are explained in this presentation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5iA_dEf5Ds

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2020, 06:52:02 PM »
Last week I watched a BBC documentary about a 'third rate burglary' in other words the Watergate Affair. The British excel in these types of programs, in a way they still "rule the waves" I suppose.

It showed how a high-level conspiracy worked and was organized. In this case, the President expressed his desire to develop a political intelligence capability after leaks of classified information to the press. His wish was sent down the White House hierarchy through Haldeman and Ehrlichman, at a point people who had experience in covert operations like Hunt and Liddy got involved, who in turn hired the Cubans to execute the burglary and install the wire tapping devices.

Not sure if something like this happened in the JFK assassination, as spying on the opposing political party and enemies of the state is a whole different ballgame than the murder of a US president. And just look how quickly the Watergate cover-up collapsed.

Obviously a conspiracy isn’t successful if participants get caught and prosecuted.

Iran Contra is another conspiracy that was exposed by someone getting caught.

But there are lots of other conspiracies that have been successfully executed in the sense that we don’t know specifically who did what or there’s not enough evidence to connect the dots to any potential suspects.

This occurs frequently with organized crime conspiracies but also in covert operations.

Organized crime organizations and Intelligence operatives are capable of successfully planning and executing conspiracies. They do it often.
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2020, 12:15:15 AM »
Obviously a conspiracy isn’t successful if participants get caught and prosecuted.
No...a murder conspiracy is successful if their their victim is dead.
 The Lincoln conspiracy as well as the Kennedy [assuming it was a conspiracy]

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: 57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2020, 01:56:12 AM »
No...a murder conspiracy is successful if their their victim is dead.
 The Lincoln conspiracy as well as the Kennedy [assuming it was a conspiracy]

a murder conspiracy is successful if their their victim is dead.

The conspiracy is successful.... If they can successfully blame some hapless individual for their deed......