57 years: Does it matter how we remember 11-22-63?

[Jon Banks]

No...a murder conspiracy is successful if their their victim is dead.
 The Lincoln conspiracy as well as the Kennedy [assuming it was a conspiracy]

From the standpoint of the perpetrators, it's not successful if they get caught.

But I guess, you're right that achieving the main objective (if it's murdering someone) makes the conspiracy at least partly successful.

[Andrew Mason]

Does it matter how Americans interpret the events that occurred on November 22, 1963?

I believe it was a conspiracy and one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century.

I’m not the type of person who typically believes in Conspiracy Theories but I think there’s enough smoke or inconsistencies in the Kennedy assassination evidence for people to reasonably speculate that there were others involved.

I don’t think we’ll ever reach the point where most people agree on what happened that fateful day in Dallas.

Does it matter whether someone believes Oswald acted alone or whether someone believes there was a conspiracy?

There are credible arguments for both ends of the spectrum and we’ll never know beyond all doubt what really happened or why it happened...

At a time when truth is hard to find and major news services promulgate "deep state" conspiracies and fraudulent elections with absolutely no evidence, it would be refreshing to find someone point out things based on actual documented evidence:
1. there is abundant evidence that Oswald shot JFK, Governor Connally, and officer Tippitt
2. that the evidence surrounding the shooting of Oswald by Ruby shows that Ruby by coincidence encountered Oswald being transferred 2 hours later than scheduled and that no evidence of any connection between the two exists;
3. that  no evidence of a second shooter in Dealey Plaza has ever been found.
4. that the HSCA conclusion that there was a fourth shot from the grassy knoll based on acoustic evidence has been debunked by science and at least 150 witnesses.
5. the lack of any consistent theory let alone evidence that anyone put Oswald up to carrying out the killings.

[Jon Banks]

At a time when truth is hard to find and major news services promulgate "deep state" conspiracies and fraudulent elections with absolutely no evidence, it would be refreshing to find someone point out things based on actual documented evidence:
1. there is abundant evidence that Oswald shot JFK, Governor Connally, and officer Tippitt
2. that the evidence surrounding the shooting of Oswald by Ruby shows that Ruby by coincidence encountered Oswald being transferred 2 hours later than scheduled and that no evidence of any connection between the two exists;
3. that  no evidence of a second shooter in Dealey Plaza has ever been found.
4. that the HSCA conclusion that there was a fourth shot from the grassy knoll based on acoustic evidence has been debunked by science and at least 150 witnesses.
5. the lack of any consistent theory let alone evidence that anyone put Oswald up to carrying out the killings.

1 - It's not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald fired a rifle on 11/22/63 or was even on the 6th floor at the time JFK was shot.

2 - Ruby was affiliated with the Mob. The Mob hated the Kennedys. Ruby owed debts at the time of the JFK assassination.

3 - There's not enough evidence to rule out multiple shooters and the physical evidence is flawed. Several books have been written detailing the problems with the evidence.

4 - The HSCA's bullet analysis linking all the Dealey Plaza bullet's to Oswald's rifle has been debunked too.

5 - Even among those who think Oswald acted alone, there's no consensus on Oswald's motive. No proof that he opposed or even disliked JFK.


There's plenty of smoke but no smoking gun...

[Andrew Mason]

1 - It's not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald fired a rifle on 11/22/63 or was even on the 6th floor at the time JFK was shot.

There is some direct evidence. But the circumstantial evidence is enough to convince a reasonable person that Oswald was on the 6th floor and fired all three shots. The evidence of what he did afterward speaks volumes.  And the evidence that he fired a shot at Gen Walker's head constituted similar fact evidence of the most cogent kind. 

2 - Ruby was affiliated with the Mob. The Mob hated the Kennedys. Ruby owed debts at the time of the JFK assassination.

Ruby was a nightclub owner who carried a gun and liked pistol whipping the odd patron who touched his employees inappropriately.   There is innuendo but no hard evidence that he was affiliated with "the mob".  Besides, the Mob disliked Bobby Kennedy more than Jack.  And Frank Sinatra was a good friend of the President.

3 - There's not enough evidence to rule out multiple shooters and the physical evidence is flawed. Several books have been written detailing the problems with the evidence.

There are always little problems with evidence.  That does not amount to evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence of another shooter.

4 - The HSCA's bullet analysis linking all the Dealey Plaza bullet's to Oswald's rifle has been debunked too.

Are you referring the the NAA analysis? I will agree that the comparative bullet lead analysis has been debunked.  But that just means that it cannot be shown that the fragments all came from the same bullet.  The shells came from the MC but the only bullet that can be positively tied to the MC is CE399.

5 - Even among those who think Oswald acted alone, there's no consensus on Oswald's motive. No proof that he opposed or even disliked JFK.

True.  But Oswald was an impulsive person.  How many people do you know who shared his political views actually gave up their citizenship and moved to Russia? How many people who disliked Gen. Walker took a shot at him?  How many people took a longish package to work on the morning of Nov 22/63 and had their palm print on a package in the sniper's nest? Oswald was probably depressed and angry at the world because he was working for $1.25 an hour and had to support a wife and two young children. Not everything that such people do is always rational or well thought out.

[Jon Banks]

There is some direct evidence. But the circumstantial evidence is enough to convince a reasonable person that Oswald was on the 6th floor and fired all three shots. The evidence of what he did afterward speaks volumes.  And the evidence that he fired a shot at Gen Walker's head constituted similar fact evidence of the most cogent kind. 

Circumstantial evidence and Assumptions-based evidence is all there is.

Perhaps that's plenty for you to be certain that he acted alone but for most people, it's obvious that we don't know the whole story.

Ruby was a nightclub owner who carried a gun and liked pistol whipping the odd patron who touched his employees inappropriately.   There is innuendo but no hard evidence that he was affiliated with "the mob".  Besides, the Mob disliked Bobby Kennedy more than Jack.  And Frank Sinatra was a good friend of the President.

From his childhood in Chicago up until 11/22/63, Ruby was associated with the Chicago Mob and later, the Dallas and New Orleans organized crime organizations. 

Carlos Marcello, the New Orleans Godfather, hated JFK and vowed to have him killed.

Joseph Campisi of the Civello crime family in Dallas was one of Ruby's first visitors in when he was Jailed after shooting Oswald.

There are always little problems with evidence. 

True but it can be argued due to the problems with the forensic evidence, that we can't conclusively say there were no other shooters.

Are you referring the the NAA analysis? I will agree that the comparative bullet lead analysis has been debunked.  But that just means that it cannot be shown that the fragments all came from the same bullet.  The shells came from the MC but the only bullet that can be positively tied to the MC is CE399.

Yes, the NAA bullet analysis has been debunked.

Also, we don't know for certain that CE399 wasn't planted due to the broken chain of evidence.

I'm inclined to believe it was planted.

True.  But Oswald was an impulsive person.  How many people do you know who shared his political views actually gave up their citizenship and moved to Russia? How many people who disliked Gen. Walker took a shot at him?  How many people took a longish package to work on the morning of Nov 22/63 and had their palm print on a package in the sniper's nest? Oswald was probably depressed and angry at the world because he was working for $1.25 an hour and had to support a wife and two young children. Not everything that such people do is always rational or well thought out.

Oswald did lots of odd things that can be interpreted more than one way.

Individuals often apply their own emotions and biases when interpreting the evidence...

[John Iacoletti]

There is some direct evidence. But the circumstantial evidence is enough to convince a reasonable person that Oswald was on the 6th floor and fired all three shots.

Bull.

The evidence of what he did afterward speaks volumes.

Yes, it speaks volumes about your confirmation bias.

[Andrew Mason]

Bull.

Yes, it speaks volumes about your confirmation bias.

So what are the alternative, reasonable explanations for:
1. Oswald leaving the TSBD without telling anyone, including Roy Truly.
2. Oswald willing to spend a significant portion of his daily wage on a taxi to get home quickly.
3. Oswald not remaining at his rooming house for more than a few minutes but getting his hand gun.
4. Oswald shooting Officer Tippitt.
5. Oswald entering the Texas Theater without paying.
6. Oswald saying "Well its over now" or words to that effect and pulling his handgun out when arrested?
7.  Oswald admitting to Marina that he had fired a shot at General Walker with the MC and leaving a the letter for her, and having pictures of Gen. Walkers house...?

When we get that sorted out, try explaining
1. why Oswald's lunch required a long package placed in the back seat of Buell Frazier's car and
2. why Oswald wanted him to believe it was curtain rods, ...
3. why Oswald's the paper package that contained "curtain rods" was found in the SN.