The Bus Stop Farce

[Charles Collins]

Here is an example of using a zero reference point that will hopefully help clear up any confusion:

An architect is drawing up a set of plans for a multistory building with an underground parking deck below the building. He needs to draw some elevation views to show the distances between floors, ceiling heights, window sill heights, etc. And he needs a reference point (zero point) that he can calculate the various elevation distances from. Lets say he selects the main (ground) floor as his reference point. He can designate the finished ground floor as zero and show the elevations of the other items as a distance from his zero reference point. In this case the underground items would have a negative number for their elevations.

However, he could have selected, for example, the floor of the lowest level of the underground parking deck to be his zero reference point, designated the distances to the other items accordingly, and still ended up with, for practical purposes, the same resulting building. Provided of course that the builder followed the plans properly.

So, in a sense, the selection of what to use for the zero reference point is arbitrary. And I believe that that is what Dale Meyers is trying to say in that sentence.

[Bill Chapman]

You disrespected that.

I disrespected nothing. I only responded to the rest of your post in which you tried to justify bringing a poster's family into it.
That was BS.

I'll take that as meaning my entire post.

So based on a wrong assumption you decided to make an issue out if it. Wow!

Are you sure you're honouring your wife's memory here today?

You clearly have never met her. She never had the time of day for disingenuous people. I'm done with this pathetic conversation.

Exactly. I have never met her. That, in effect, leaves me off any potential list of people who might be contacted upon news of her passing. Again, tell me how I would have known that she had she had passed.

[Martin Weidmann]

Here is an example of using a zero reference point that will hopefully help clear up any confusion:

An architect is drawing up a set of plans for a multistory building with an underground parking deck below the building. He needs to draw some elevation views to show the distances between floors, ceiling heights, window sill heights, etc. And he needs a reference point (zero point) that he can calculate the various elevation distances from. Lets say he selects the main (ground) floor as his reference point. He can designate the finished ground floor as zero and show the elevations of the other items as a distance from his zero reference point. In this case the underground items would have a negative number for their elevations.

However, he could have selected, for example, the floor of the lowest level of the underground parking deck to be his zero reference point, designated the distances to the other items accordingly, and still ended up with, for practical purposes, the same resulting building. Provided of course that the builder followed the plans properly.

So, in a sense, the selection of what to use for the zero reference point is arbitrary. And I believe that that is what Dale Meyers is trying to say in that sentence.

And on and on and on he goes.... Trying to "win" an argument by wearing everybody else down.

And now you can spend another 5 posts explaining why you are not trying to wear everybody down....

In the meantime I'm going to have a far more interesting conversation with a wall.

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly. I have never met her. That, in effect, leaves me off any potential list of people who might be contacted upon news of her passing. Again, tell me how I would have known she had passed.

You couldn't have known. You couldn't even have known that I had a wife. But that's not the point.

When you start talking about a poster's family, without knowing anything about them, you always run the risk of saying something wrong. Better not go there.....That's the point I was making.

[Bill Chapman]

You couldn't have known. You couldn't even have known that I had a wife. But that's not the point.

When you start talking about a poster's family, without knowing anything about them, you always run the risk of saying something wrong. Better not go there.....That's the point I was making.

And that can be easily corrected by offering condolences, with the other person graciously accepting.

[Martin Weidmann]

And that can be easily corrected by offering condolences, with the other person graciously accepting.

Or it could have been prevented by simply not doing it. And here I end this "discussion". Feel free to have the last word

[Alan J. Ford]

I didn't say that the jacket was zipped up only halfway.

Okay, Mr. Brown, fair enough, no harm, no foul.


I believe eyewitnesses to a crime make mistakes almost always, when it comes to clothing descriptions.  This is obvious.  It happens.

Yes, we mutually agree on this point all human beings are prone to mistakes. Again, no harm, no foul. However, in their haste to frame the wrongly accused why didn't those charged w/fully investigating the actual events at 10th & Patton take this into consideration?

Set aside the description of color for a minute.  I would like to know what some conspiracy advocates believe happened to the jacket that Oswald was zipping up as he went out the front door of the rooming house.  He left the house wearing a jacket and was seen at the shoe store entrance with no jacket.  Even if the jacket was rainbow-colored, what happened to it?  Why did Oswald get rid of it?

Conjecture, Mr. Brown at, quote, "Why did Oswald get rid of it?" Besides, the colour of the jacket wasn't indicative of any clothing actually owned by the wrongly accused. Not to mention it carried a cleaner's tag, which is so contrary to the wrongly accused's personal upkeep of his clothing. Not exactly a luxury on his mere warehouseman's salary.


Thanks Alan.  I appreciate that. buddy.

No problem. Like I said before, even though we are miles--perhaps even an entire ocean apart--on this case, I respect you. I'm no longer the kid with the Ben Hur team of horses avatar from six years ago, meaning I do remember the researchers who confronted me w/their truth as oppose to flooding my IM box like the late Gary Mack (RIP) telling me how wrong I was to question the "evidence".

Alan, Happy Thanksgiving to you and your loved ones.

MUCH appreciated, Mr. Brown, best to you & yours for a safe, happy & healthy holiday season right into the new year.

Took the liberty of  responding above in bold print. Back next year to reengage. Best wishes to all to remain safe, well & healthy amid the ongoing pandemic challenges we are facing around the world.

Until then, in spite of being framed, the wrongly accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.