The Bus Stop Farce

[Martin Weidmann]

My condolences. May she rest in peace.

But I need not apologize, since how could I have possibly known about her passing..

BS.. when you start talking about family members you always need to be careful. But I never expected an apology from you.

[Martin Weidmann]

This is your post that started the whole discussion about arbitrary:

This is a statement from your post that you made that I disagree with:

He fixed the time, for practical purposes, at 12:29. That doesn't mean that time was correct. He needed a starting point from where to time the duration of the open mike episode. He could just as easily have used 12:28 or 12:31.

The point is that his deduction of a time of 12:29: was not arbitrary. He could not have just as easily used 12:28 or 12:31.

Read the entire sentence that Dale Myers wrote:

Former dispatch supervisor Jim Bowles used a stop watch and some mathematics to deduce a “real” time from the police recordings by comparing an arbitrary zero base-time with the recorded time announcements that followed.

The word arbitrary describes his selection of the beginning of the open-mike transmission as his zero base time. Now, he could have selected another point in the recording as his zero-base time and deduced the “real” time accordingly. This is what Dale Myers is saying.

Is the “real” time exact. Hell no. Is the “real” time close to the exact time? Bowles invites anyone to review his methods and decide for himself. His methods are explained in detail. So, knock yourself out if you so desire to. However, there is no way that his decision to use 12:29 is arbitrary. And if either one of you had any integrity whatsoever, you would admit that you are wrong and accept Bowles report and Dale Myers’ words for what they are.

And there you go.... arguing for argument's sake.

When you start out with something that's arbitrary everything that follows is by definition arbitrary.

I've already proven beyond any doubt that the time stamps on the DPD recording do not justify the conclusion that Tippit was killed at 1.14. So, either the 1.17 and 1.18 time stamps for the calls by Bowles and Callaway (both men made calls roughly within 2 minutes after the shots and not 4) are wrong or Myers is pathetically bad at mathematics.

However, there is no way that his decision to use 12:29 is arbitrary.

You can take that up with Dale Myers. He seems to disagree with you.

And if either one of you had any integrity whatsoever, you would admit that you are wrong and accept Bowles report and Dale Myers’ words for what they are.

You really mean we should take your version of what Bowles and Myers said for what it is, don't you?

But you just keep on believing the fairytale.

[Bill Chapman]

BS.. when you start talking about family members you always need to be careful. But I never expected an apology from you.

So, you don't even accept my condolences. You're a class act, Martin. You can't even put differences aside for one moment, can you. That speaks volumes as to your involvement here.

By contrast, when I mentioned the death of my brother in May 2018, John Iacoletti was the only member on this entire forum to offer condolences. And in a timely manner, I might add.

[Martin Weidmann]

So, you don't even accept my condolences. You're a class act, Martin. You can't even put differences aside for one moment, can you. That speaks volumes as to your involvement here.

By contrast, when I mentioned the death of my brother in May 2018, John Iacoletti was the only member on this entire forum to offer condolences. And in a timely manner, I might add.

So, you don't even accept my condolences.

Where did I say that? All I said was that I did not expect an apology from you.

You're a class act, Martin. You can't even put differences aside for one moment, can you. That speaks volumes as to your involvement here.

So, you decide to turn it into an issue and I am the class act? Really?

[Bill Chapman]

So, you don't even accept my condolences.

Where did I say that? All I said was that I did not expect an apology from you.

You're a class act, Martin. You can't even put differences aside for one moment, can you. That speaks volumes as to your involvement here.

So, you decide to turn it into an issue and I am the class act? Really?

You brought it up; I offered my condolences.
You disrespected that. Tell us who made this an issue.

Are you sure you're honouring your wife's memory here today?

You started your reply with 'BS'.
I'll take that as meaning my entire post.

'You're a class act' is obviously meant as sarcasm in this context. (Let me change that to a 'real' class act so the sarcasm might be made clear to any mentally-challenged posters here). What the hell happened to your self-proclaimed 'superior education'?

And you are doing what you just accused Charles Collins of doing: Arguing for the sake of argument.

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You lot break up things into far too many pieces
Then break up those pieces into evermore tiny pieces

Inspired by Vincent Bugliosi's 'split the split hairs'

[Charles Collins]

And there you go.... arguing for argument's sake.

When you start out with something that's arbitrary everything that follows is by definition arbitrary.

I've already proven beyond any doubt that the time stamps on the DPD recording do not justify the conclusion that Tippit was killed at 1.14. So, either the 1.17 and 1.18 time stamps for the calls by Bowles and Callaway (both men made calls roughly within 2 minutes after the shots and not 4) are wrong or Myers is pathetically bad at mathematics.

However, there is no way that his decision to use 12:29 is arbitrary.

You can take that up with Dale Myers. He seems to disagree with you.

And if either one of you had any integrity whatsoever, you would admit that you are wrong and accept Bowles report and Dale Myers’ words for what they are.

You really mean we should take your version of what Bowles and Myers said for what it is, don't you?

But you just keep on believing the fairytale.

When you start out with something that's arbitrary everything that follows is by definition arbitrary.

1. Dale Myers is the one that used the word arbitrary (not Bowles).

2. In Dale Myers’ sentence, the adjective arbitrary immediately precedes the words zero base. Which in proper English grammar means he is describing zero base (not “real” time, or anything else).

3. Bowles selected the beginning of the open-mike transmission to be his zero base. Personally, I don’t think this is arbitrary because Bowles never said that it was arbitrary, and because it is the beginning of the continuous recording and therefore it makes a logical choice. So, in my opinion, Dale Myers chose the wrong word. However, Bowles could have selected another point in the continuous recording to be his zero base and been just as accurate. The zero base time is is a point of reference.

4. The decision to use 12:29 as a “real” time assumption for the start of the open-mike transmission was not arbitrary. Neither Bowles or Myers says anything like that. The both say that it was derived. You can argue that his method of deriving that time is flawed or inaccurate. But to deem it as being arbitrary is simply wrong.


You really mean we should take your version of what Bowles and Myers said for what it is, don't you?

No, simply apply proper English grammar to their words as I explained above.

[Martin Weidmann]

You brought it up; I offered my condolences.
You disrespected that. Tell us who made this an issue.

Are you sure you're honouring your wife's memory here today?

You started your reply with 'BS'.
I'll take that as meaning my entire post.

'You're a class act' is obviously meant as sarcasm in this context. (Let me change that to a 'real' class act so the sarcasm might be made clear to any mentally-challenged posters here). What the hell happened to your self-proclaimed 'superior education'?

And you are doing what you just accused Charles Collins of doing: Arguing for the sake of argument.

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You lot break up things into far too many pieces
Then break up those pieces into evermore tiny pieces

Inspired by Vincent Bugliosi's 'split the split hairs'

You disrespected that.

I disrespected nothing. I only responded to the rest of your post in which you tried to justify bringing a poster's family into it.
That was BS.

I'll take that as meaning my entire post.

So based on a wrong assumption you decided to make an issue out if it. Wow!

Are you sure you're honouring your wife's memory here today?

You clearly have never met her. She never had the time of day for disingenuous people. I'm done with this pathetic conversation.