Unseeing the Headshot

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Online John Mytton

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2020, 06:51:59 AM »
As I said before, it is all fantasy and an illusion!   in 1 frame the tip of a glove turns into a full hand and the head is gone.   1/18 of a second for that little illusion to take place.
Just have to follow the motion to know that is invalid somehow and can't be explained away.  Just like cut and paste on Z337!

 

I'm not sure what you think you see but as Kennedy's head is falling down, Jackie is simultaneously getting the hell out of there.



Btw have you got any ideas of how your special effects were accomplished and can you provide any examples of photo realistic celluloid film manipulation that compares to what we see in the Zapruder film. Or perhaps you can quote some visual effects experts who endorse the type of alterations that the CT community says occurred in the Zapruder Film?

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2020, 10:57:25 AM »
I think you can fantasize all you want.

1) There is no pictures or x-rays of JFK's body.  Some Ida Dox drawings - no real evidence.   The autopsy reports massaged.  If there is anything (I doubt it!), it is still locked up and invisible to the public for a mysterious reason.
2) If there was a shot from behind, Jacqueline Kennedy would have been blinded by blood and brain matter if you can believe what you see is what we are shown the front of his head looked like.  Watch her hand movement over where we think his head is!  Not only scalp tears but bone and brain get blown out as well!
3) It took her a lot of frames to look up from examining his chest when JFK's arms went up after Z313.  You might say she wasn't blinded.  This is the case if bullet came from front and damage went out the back.  She would have remained relatively clean and with wind from front and automobile speed moving forward - everything ending up behind.
4) Horror didn't set in until many frames later for her.  Point is,  she would have been hit in the face and eyes with blood and brain matter, she did not react like that at all.
5) Look at each frame and figure out position of even JFK's shoulders and you have to say his body is not reflective of where his head is.   The amount of damage proposed and to see a skull left is impossible because it isn't in the picture.  There is no nice round oval brain in Z338.   It is her shoulder not his head.  You have to examine all those frames and watch the movement to note her shoulder and glove.  What moves and what doesn't.   As I said,  cut lines visible on Z338 - proving someone altered the film early on.   They needed a LNer to wear the coup d'etat!
6) No one wants to see the truth even if it stares them in the face!

Really Allan?
Everything is fake?
Tell us all what evidence there is JFK was even assassinated.

Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2020, 05:19:34 PM »
I'm not sure what you think you see but as Kennedy's head is falling down, Jackie is simultaneously getting the hell out of there.



Btw have you got any ideas of how your special effects were accomplished and can you provide any examples of photo realistic celluloid film manipulation that compares to what we see in the Zapruder film. Or perhaps you can quote some visual effects experts who endorse the type of alterations that the CT community says occurred in the Zapruder Film?

JohnM

Thanks for "animating" that for me.   That is exactly the point I am showing.  Where is the head?  You see her glove going through what you thought was a head in the frame (Z340) before!   Where is the actual head?  My guess is it is down below.  You can see nicely her shoulder movement and corresponding arm movement as she is getting the H out of there which you are correct in pointing out.  The glove is still being surrounded by black which we are all assuming was hair/head in the prior frame.  The so called golden nugget is moving back with her arm (that is located front and below her hand).  It appears the hand is pushing through the illusive head area.
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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2020, 06:07:24 PM »
Really Allan?
Everything is fake?
Tell us all what evidence there is JFK was even assassinated.
You are missing my point.  Jacqueline's face was NOT covered in blood to the point she was blinded.  If you had fragments scattered all over the frontal area and in the grass from a rear shot and she was staring with her head down looking at his abdomen at the time, she would have been blinded by the cloud.  She doesn't even react to that cloud in Z313 - you can't even see her face through it.     Horror sets in first when she looks up after the cloud is totally dispersed, 1/2 to 3/4 a second later  If that shot came from TSBD, it would show something much different as her head is almost in front of his and a little down - she would have been lucky she didn't get hit too!

As I said before, if you can't see the cut line in Z338 passing right next to her face and passing through his head by the ear (vertical line), and then follow up to the horizontal cut in the grass (green hue not quite blended about a 1/4 to 1/2 inch above her hat), there is something wrong.  Maybe John Mytton can blow that up for us so you can see the area better.  I only know how to zoom in on windows photo viewer and advance through frames back and forward.    You can enlarge it a little bit by using the control "+" or shrink control "-" button on your browser to get a closer look.   I have a 27" high resolution computer monitor so not hard for me to see the contrasts.



Again , it would be really useful if John Mytton could animate all the way through from Z337 to Z341 so that you can see her shoulder and can conclude that it is not a scalp- less President in Z337.  I want to thank John for animating what he did (Z340/341).  I am not quoting anyone, just following the visuals which he has nicely pointed out.

My point is the LNers need a shot from behind badly.  The President lifted his arm and moves back after the massive head shot which I don't buy as a reflex action to that. It looks more like a defensive move - possibly still conscious enough to know what was happening.   It is also contrary to the motion of car slowing down.  If you stop suddenly everyone moves forward!   You could launch an argument that fast acceleration (with a big boat!) throws him back in the car - no one saying that!   

Fake to the point that you can send the film to an Eastman Kodak Lab in Rochester (named Hawkeye) and they can "massage it for ya".

News Reporter (some footage of tail lights on we are shown) say the car came to a stop.  Eye witnesses said "the car momentarily halted".  Where do you see that in the Zapruder film?  Witnesses were wrong I guess - film can't be doubted!


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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2020, 06:27:02 PM »
One other interesting point to make which I have seen and should be worth noting.  There is a white spot on Conally's suit jacket on Z337 under armpit and in other frames which one could say is the lining of his coat (or shirt) which may show the pierce mark of the bullet that hit him.  It is on several frames and seems to move with his body.  Again another observation!



Maybe someone like John Mytton could animate and hi-light that spot. Again, not sure if that is a film defect but I don't think so in my opinion!  Z336 is where you start to see that as it emerges from a shadow. You might almost concluded that it "ruffled" the jacket on Z336 as it coincides close with when the President was shot (Z330) with glass shard spray being reflected in light and picked up by camera on back of black backed SS agent!   My opinion.
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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2020, 08:31:49 PM »
One other interesting point to make which I have seen and should be worth noting.  There is a white spot on Conally's suit jacket on Z337 under armpit and in other frames which one could say is the lining of his coat (or shirt) which may show the pierce mark of the bullet that hit him.  It is on several frames and seems to move with his body.  Again another observation!



Maybe someone like John Mytton could animate and hi-light that spot. Again, not sure if that is a film defect but I don't think so in my opinion!  Z336 is where you start to see that as it emerges from a shadow. You might almost concluded that it "ruffled" the jacket on Z336 as it coincides close with when the President was shot (Z330) with glass shard spray being reflected in light and picked up by camera on back of black backed SS agent!   My opinion.

If you look at the clip in the opening post you will see what looks like blood that has streamed from JBC's armpit area down the back of his jacket, the white spot appears to be sunlight reflecting off the blood.
Forget all about alterations to the Z-film, you're wasting your time. Each frame contains, marks, scratches, blurs, etc. There's no point trying to read anything into them.

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2020, 12:46:42 AM »
You must look at the 2 frames that John Mytton put together.  A frame is a picture and if the picture shows the hand where the head was (Z341), you have an issue!   



If the head was there, the glove isn't. You can't have it both ways.  The glove in a picture is visible and the head you thought should be there isn't.  One frame out of place.   Where did the head go when you can see the glove tip in Z340 behind head?