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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Dan O'meara on November 13, 2020, 11:58:38 AM
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I'm relatively new to all this. While many are up in the hills chasing the Mafia/Russians/Cuban exiles etc. I'm stuck in Dealey Plaza still trying to figure what happened. Apart from the fact JFK was assassinated there is only one other core certainty I've carried through this learning experience - the shot that caused JFK's head to explode and forced him 'back and to the left' was fired from somewhere in front of the limo. While working on "The First Shot" thread I came across something that I've been trying to "unsee" for a few weeks. It appears to be physical evidence that challenges my core belief the headshot came from the front. I'm hoping I've missed something obvious.
The disturbing Gif below appears to show an enormous flap of JFK's scalp hanging from his head. As JFK leans forward this pendulous mass of flesh appears to swing out in front of him. The flap is still attached to his head and the "hinge" for this flap appears to be slightly forward of his right ear.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LsPZMXN2/z323-354.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
My problem is this - if the shot that blew this large section of scalp out came from the front surely the "hinge" would be towards the back of his head with the flap hanging down his back?
Am I missing something obvious?
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I'm relatively new to all this. While many are up in the hills chasing the Mafia/Russians/Cuban exiles etc. I'm stuck in Dealey Plaza still trying to figure what happened. Apart from the fact JFK was assassinated there is only one other core certainty I've carried through this learning experience - the shot that caused JFK's head to explode and forced him 'back and to the left' was fired from somewhere in front of the limo. While working on "The First Shot" thread I came across something that I've been trying to "unsee" for a few weeks. It appears to be physical evidence that challenges my core belief the headshot came from the front. I'm hoping I've missed something obvious.
The disturbing Gif below appears to show an enormous flap of JFK's scalp hanging from his head. As JFK leans forward this pendulous mass of flesh appears to swing out in front of him. The flap is still attached to his head and the "hinge" for this flap appears to be slightly forward of his right ear.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LsPZMXN2/z323-354.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
My problem is this - if the shot that blew this large section of scalp out came from the front surely the "hinge" would be towards the back of his head with the flap hanging down his back?
Am I missing something obvious?
Am I missing something obvious?
Only that JFK conspiracy theorists don't want to know the truth!
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Am I missing something obvious?
Only that JFK conspiracy theorists don't want to know the truth!
Hi Ross,
I think this is going to be an uncomfortable issue for a lot of people, as it is for myself.
I don't know if I'm a genuine conspiracy theorist yet as I'm not proposing the Deep State/Mafia/Aliens etc. as the ultimate authors of the assassination, I'm still stuck in Dealey Plaza, but I'm convinced Oswald did not act alone. It is easily argued that those who believe LHO acted alone are the ones who don't want to know what the truth is. In fact, I would say it's the easiest argument to make.
A large problem, as I see it, is that a lot of JFK researchers seem to want to be "on the winning team". Once a decision has been made to which particular 'model' someone believes it seems you're not allowed to change your mind, your not allowed to concede even the smallest detail and when something comes along that really challenges your belief you must go into denial or become silent, wait for the danger to pass, then emerge again with your original ideas still in tact. It has nothing to do with finding the truth, I've hardly seen any of that on this forum, it's to do with winning your argument, no matter how crazy you end up sounding.
Due to his motion after impact I still believe JFK was hit from the front but I now find I'm in a very weak position to argue that case. The important thing is I've put myself in that position.
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Hi Ross,
I think this is going to be an uncomfortable issue for a lot of people, as it is for myself.
I don't know if I'm a genuine conspiracy theorist yet as I'm not proposing the Deep State/Mafia/Aliens etc. as the ultimate authors of the assassination, I'm still stuck in Dealey Plaza, but I'm convinced Oswald did not act alone. It is easily argued that those who believe LHO acted alone are the ones who don't want to know what the truth is. In fact, I would say it's the easiest argument to make.
A large problem, as I see it, is that a lot of JFK researchers seem to want to be "on the winning team". Once a decision has been made to which particular 'model' someone believes it seems you're not allowed to change your mind, your not allowed to concede even the smallest detail and when something comes along that really challenges your belief you must go into denial or become silent, wait for the danger to pass, then emerge again with your original ideas still in tact. It has nothing to do with finding the truth, I've hardly seen any of that on this forum, it's to do with winning your argument, no matter how crazy you end up sounding.
Due to his motion after impact I still believe JFK was hit from the front but I now find I'm in a very weak position to argue that case. The important thing is I've put myself in that position.
That flap is from the right temple blow out caused by the frangible bullet exploding in JFK's head. That shot came from the knoll, where James Files claims he took the shot with a Fireball.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Fireball.jpg)
Right temple blow out:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
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That flap is from the right temple blow out caused by the frangible bullet exploding in JFK's head. That shot came from the knoll, where James Files claims he took the shot with a Fireball.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Fireball.jpg)
Right temple blow out:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
If that's the case then how is the flap attached to the skull at the right temple?
Surely a blowout at the right temple would cause the flap to be attached towards the back of the skull.
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If that's the case then how is the flap attached to the skull at the right temple?
Surely a blowout at the right temple would cause the flap to be attached towards the back of the skull.
No. The blast force from the frangible bullet was toward the shooter (knoll) and the flap could hinge anywhere on the perfectly circular blow out. Otherwise, there is no trajectory from the SN into the back of JFK's head and out the right temple.
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No. The blast force from the frangible bullet was toward the shooter (knoll) and the flap could hinge anywhere on the perfectly circular blow out.
I'd really like to believe something along these lines. Do you have any evidence to back this assertion?
Otherwise, there is no trajectory from the SN into the back of JFK's head and out the right temple.
I don't really want to get bogged down with SN. I just want to understand how a shot from the front can cause the kind of damage I'm highlighting.
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I'd really like to believe something along these lines. Do you have any evidence to back this assertion?
If a frangible bullet explodes in your head it will blow out the entrance wound because the skull is already compromised there. I would be interested to see photos of the flap for any sign of a bullet hole (entrance or exit). Why did they play down this skull flap anyway? Is there even a reference to it in the WCR?
I don't really want to get bogged down with SN. I just want to understand how a shot from the front can cause the kind of damage I'm highlighting.
My point was that there was no trajectory from Oswald to JFK that blows out JFK's right temple unless Oswald used FMJ frangible ammo, which didn't exist.
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If a frangible bullet explodes in your head it will blow out the entrance wound because the skull is already compromised there.
Where are you getting this information from?
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You are correct in your description of the wound. After he fell over on the seat and Jackie slid into the floorboard she 'closed the flap' and it closed so neatly that when JFK was lying on his back on the ER gurney he did not appear to be wounded. You are also seeing blood and brain matter exiting the wound.
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I'm relatively new to all this. While many are up in the hills chasing the Mafia/Russians/Cuban exiles etc. I'm stuck in Dealey Plaza still trying to figure what happened. Apart from the fact JFK was assassinated there is only one other core certainty I've carried through this learning experience - the shot that caused JFK's head to explode and forced him 'back and to the left' was fired from somewhere in front of the limo. While working on "The First Shot" thread I came across something that I've been trying to "unsee" for a few weeks. It appears to be physical evidence that challenges my core belief the headshot came from the front. I'm hoping I've missed something obvious.
The disturbing Gif below appears to show an enormous flap of JFK's scalp hanging from his head. As JFK leans forward this pendulous mass of flesh appears to swing out in front of him. The flap is still attached to his head and the "hinge" for this flap appears to be slightly forward of his right ear.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LsPZMXN2/z323-354.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
My problem is this - if the shot that blew this large section of scalp out came from the front surely the "hinge" would be towards the back of his head with the flap hanging down his back?
Am I missing something obvious?
Quite possibly.
Since I can't "unsee" this post, I will add that your use of " back and to the left" is quite telling.
For the record, I have only suffered through snippets of "JFK" .
And, there was no frontal shot. Because, there's no evidence of it.
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Quite possibly.
Since I can't "unsee" this post, I will add that your use of " back and to the left" is quite telling.
For the record, I have only suffered through snippets of "JFK" .
And, there was no frontal shot. Because, there's no evidence of it.
you had no problem unseeing the Nix Illusion.
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And, there was no frontal shot. Because, there's no evidence of it.
Don't you consider the testimony of a dozen medical staff that observed a "fist-sized" hole in the back of JFK's head evidence? This had to be a blow out from a frontal shot and judging by the angle of JFK's head and the direction of the limo, the shot came from the overpass.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot1.jpg)
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I'm relatively new to all this. While many are up in the hills chasing the Mafia/Russians/Cuban exiles etc. I'm stuck in Dealey Plaza still trying to figure what happened. Apart from the fact JFK was assassinated there is only one other core certainty I've carried through this learning experience - the shot that caused JFK's head to explode and forced him 'back and to the left' was fired from somewhere in front of the limo. While working on "The First Shot" thread I came across something that I've been trying to "unsee" for a few weeks. It appears to be physical evidence that challenges my core belief the headshot came from the front. I'm hoping I've missed something obvious.
The disturbing Gif below appears to show an enormous flap of JFK's scalp hanging from his head. As JFK leans forward this pendulous mass of flesh appears to swing out in front of him. The flap is still attached to his head and the "hinge" for this flap appears to be slightly forward of his right ear.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LsPZMXN2/z323-354.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
My problem is this - if the shot that blew this large section of scalp out came from the front surely the "hinge" would be towards the back of his head with the flap hanging down his back?
Am I missing something obvious?
Greetings, Dan
When I first started researching this event, I was much like yourself--uncertain of what to think but wary of most of those pushing this theory or that.
So I spent a few years full-time, and then another dozen years or so part-time, reading texts and articles on subjects such as military medicine, forensic pathology, forensic radiology, neutron activation analysis, and cognitive psychology, and added the highlights into my website on the Kennedy assassination, patspeer.com.
Chapters 16 -16d should be of particular interest. Chapter 16 recounts the Warren Commission's attempts at replicating Kennedy's head wound, and Chapter 16b recounts the history of the study of wound ballistics (as it relates to the Kennedy assassination) and the facts leading to the conclusion Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound of both entrance and exit. Chapter 16c discusses the damage to Kennedy's brain, and how this supports the probability Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound to the right temple and top of his head. And Chapter 16d discusses the Discovery Channel's failed attempt at re-creating Kennedy's head wound as described by the HSCA, and accidental re-creation of what would appear to have been his actual wound.
You might wish to start with Chapter 16b. (This actually goes for anyone reading this thread. I recently received a phone call from two prominent doctors who have written on this case, and I had to go through Chapter 16b step-by-step as much of what I've uncovered was news to them.)
Regards, Pat
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Greetings, Dan
When I first started researching this event, I was much like yourself--uncertain of what to think but wary of most of those pushing this theory or that.
So I spent a few years full-time, and then another dozen years or so part-time, reading texts and articles on subjects such as military medicine, forensic pathology, forensic radiology, neutron activation analysis, and cognitive psychology, and added the highlights into my website on the Kennedy assassination, patspeer.com.
Chapters 16 -16d should be of particular interest. Chapter 16 recounts the Warren Commission's attempts at replicating Kennedy's head wound, and Chapter 16b recounts the history of the study of wound ballistics (as it relates to the Kennedy assassination) and the facts leading to the conclusion Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound of both entrance and exit. Chapter 16c discusses the damage to Kennedy's brain, and how this supports the probability Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound to the right temple and top of his head. And Chapter 16d discusses the Discovery Channel's failed attempt at re-creating Kennedy's head wound as described by the HSCA, and accidental re-creation of what would appear to have been his actual wound.
You might wish to start with Chapter 16b. (This actually goes for anyone reading this thread. I recently received a phone call from two prominent doctors who have written on this case, and I had to go through Chapter 16b step-by-step as much of what I've uncovered was news to them.)
Regards, Pat
Hi Pat,
I will most certainly be visiting your site as I find it an invaluable research tool and have credited you on a number of occasions on various threads for information gleaned there. It is a truly impressive enterprise and important to this area of study. Work commitments allow me no time to get stuck in at the moment, when I get a chance I would like to persuade you with my arguments for a first shot at z223, something strongly supported by your own extensive work on witness statements.
I've yet to get stuck in a particular rut regarding all this, this thread demonstrates how things I've taken for granted can be suddenly turned upside down by something hidden in plain sight.
It's a real conundrum for me at the moment and I hope your work can shine a light on it.
Dan
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There is substantial circumstantial evidence that has to be considered if your trying to examine the direction of the head shot. It points to the possibility of two shots at almost the same time.
1.) Of the 35 witnesses that said the last two shots were close together 22 used terms like "In rapid succession" or "almost simultaneously" "almost at the same time" Several SS agents used that term "In rapid succession".
2.) Kellerman and Greer were especially qualified because they were sitting inches from where the rounds were landing. They didn't just hear muzzle blast and shock wave they could hear the rounds coming into the limo and landing near them. Kellerman described the last shots as "A flurry of shells" and Greer said the last rounds came in "Almost simultaneously".
A bolt action rifle that experts tried to rapid fire took 2.3 seconds between shots. Who would characterize shots fired every 2.3 seconds as "Almost simultaneous or as "A flurry of shells". Terms like "In rapid succession" don't fit either and I believe a couple of those were SS agents in the follow up car.
If there were shots from different locations the timing of the shots would have been different depending on their location. Witnesses right in between two shooters would hear two shots at the same time. Witnesses near the limo would hear a knoll shot before a TSB shot. As an example the West knoll is maybe 400 feet from the 6th floor of the TSB. A witness standing very close to either location would hear about a 4/10 of a second delay for shots fired simultaneously.
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Don't you consider the testimony of a dozen medical staff that observed a "fist-sized" hole in the back of JFK's head evidence? This had to be a blow out from a frontal shot and judging by the angle of JFK's head and the direction of the limo, the shot came from the overpass.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot1.jpg)
Two bullets hit Kennedy's head.
Tends to cause a lot of damage.
Once we agree on that, it's smooth sailing from there.
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There is substantial circumstantial evidence that has to be considered if your trying to examine the direction of the head shot. It points to the possibility of two shots at almost the same time.
1.) Of the 35 witnesses that said the last two shots were close together 22 used terms like "In rapid succession" or "almost simultaneously" "almost at the same time" Several SS agents used that term "In rapid succession".
2.) Kellerman and Greer were especially qualified because they were sitting inches from where the rounds were landing. They didn't just hear muzzle blast and shock wave they could hear the rounds coming into the limo and landing near them. Kellerman described the last shots as "A flurry of shells" and Greer said the last rounds came in "Almost simultaneously".
A bolt action rifle that experts tried to rapid fire took 2.3 seconds between shots. Who would characterize shots fired every 2.3 seconds as "Almost simultaneous or as "A flurry of shells". Terms like "In rapid succession" don't fit either and I believe a couple of those were SS agents in the follow up car.
If there were shots from different locations the timing of the shots would have been different depending on their location. Witnesses right in between two shooters would hear two shots at the same time. Witnesses near the limo would hear a knoll shot before a TSB shot. As an example the West knoll is maybe 400 feet from the 6th floor of the TSB. A witness standing very close to either location would hear about a 4/10 of a second delay for shots fired simultaneously.
James Files claims that his shot from the knoll struck JFK's head a fraction of a second after another shot struck JFK's head from the front. This is consistent with back and to the left. This detail is why I pay any attention to him. Whether or not he was one of the shooters, he appeared to have inside info re the Big Event.
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James Files claims that his shot from the knoll struck JFK's head a fraction of a second after another shot struck JFK's head from the front. This is consistent with back and to the left. This detail is why I pay any attention to him. Whether or not he was one of the shooters, he appeared to have inside info re the Big Event.
Is this possible files was involved but lied about being the shooter. The hole in his story is he's claimed he fired just before he was about to lose his line of sight behind the Stemmona sign. From his position the headshot happened long after that. And he couldn't confuse it with the Fort Worth sign because that would have happened well after the headshot. The only thing that could have conceivably blocked his View is it the tree that was about ten feet out from the fence.
What I found impressive is his letter from Carlos Marcello's daughter. The warden verified it was a cordial letter. Well if you going to make up stories about a mob family and connect them to JFK you might be concerned about their opinion of that. Apparently the family didn't have any problem with his story. But true or not it's really a great mob story.
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James Files claims that his shot from the knoll struck JFK's head a fraction of a second after another shot struck JFK's head from the front. This is consistent with back and to the left. This detail is why I pay any attention to him. Whether or not he was one of the shooters, he appeared to have inside info re the Big Event.
You're missing the point Jack.
How could a shot from the front cause the flap of scalp to be hinged from the front of JFK's head. Why isn't the 'hinge' of this flap of scalp towards the back of his head?
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You're missing the point Jack.
How could a shot from the front cause the flap of scalp to be hinged from the front of JFK's head. Why isn't the 'hinge' of this flap of scalp towards the back of his head?
You missed my point Dan. The flap on the right temple blow out was caused by a shot from the knoll, not the front. Besides, the hinge has nothing to do with where the shot came from. The hinge represents the strongest part the skull at the point of the blow out, and is not related to the direction of the shot. Why do you think otherwise?
Here is frame 323 and the damage caused by the near simultaneous knoll and frontal shots (minus the fist-sized hole at the back of the head):
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/323.png)
A FMJ bullet does not do this kind of damage. Frangible bullets, however, do.
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You missed my point Dan. The flap on the right temple blow out was caused by a shot from the knoll, not the front. Besides, the hinge has nothing to do with where the shot came from. The hinge represents the strongest part the skull at the point of the blow out, and is not related to the direction of the shot. Why do you think otherwise?
Here is frame 323 and the damage caused by the near simultaneous knoll and frontal shots (minus the fist-sized hole at the back of the head):
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/323.png)
A FMJ bullet does not do this kind of damage. Frangible bullets, however, do.
You're right Jack, I am missing your point.
When you say "from the knoll, not from the front" I don't understand what you're saying.
Is the headshot at z313 coming from somewhere in front of JFK or not?
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You're right Jack, I am missing your point.
When you say "from the knoll, not from the front" I don't understand what you're saying.
Is the headshot at z313 coming from somewhere in front of JFK or not?
What part of 2 near simultaneous shots don't you get? (knoll & overpass)
The knoll shot resulted in the right temple blow out and the overpass shot did the damage you see in z323. Both were headshots that occurred near z313.
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What part of 2 near simultaneous shots don't you get? (knoll & overpass)
The knoll shot resulted in the right temple blow out and the overpass shot did the damage you see in z323. Both were headshots that occurred near z313.
What part of 'manners' don't you get?
When JFK is struck at z312 the knoll is to the front right of him so when you say "from the knoll, not the front" it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
A shot from the overpass?
(https://i.postimg.cc/rF3gqNk9/altgens-7b.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Whereabouts from the overpass? Who witnessed this? What evidence do you have for a shot from the overpass?
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What part of 'manners' don't you get?
When JFK is struck at z312 the knoll is to the front right of him so when you say "from the knoll, not the front" it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
A shot from the overpass?
(https://i.postimg.cc/rF3gqNk9/altgens-7b.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Whereabouts from the overpass? Who witnessed this? What evidence do you have for a shot from the overpass?
Manners? LOL. You're just like my wife, you sense "attitude" when there is none. I am not offering proof of anything, it's my best guess using logic based on the facts. You are asking me questions as though you didn't read my posts. I answered all your questions up thread. I guess you just don't want to hear them.
The knoll shot was side-front using a frangible bullet that blew out a perfectly circular 2 inch diameter hole at JFK's right temple. This was an entrance wound that blew out when the bullet exploded creating a skull hinge on the right side of the blow out.
The overpass shot was full-frontal. I assume there was a shot from the front because JFK had a fist-sized hole in the back of his head. This had to be a blow out from a frontal shot which was an exit wound (if a FMJ bullet was used). I placed the shooter on the overpass because that matched the trajectory of the bullet that blew out the hole in the back of his head.
Those 2 shots are responsible for JFK's motion, "back and to the left". I also explained why the placement of a blow out hinge on the skull does not necessarily indicate where the shot came from.
JMHO of course. It certainly wasn't Oswald taking a shot from the TSBD that simultaneously blew out JFK's right temple AND the back of his head. So if it wasn't Oswald shooting magic frangible bullets then....you tell me.
PS. "Overpass" is inaccurate. The frontal shot came from the tracks to the left of the overpass. (see graphic up thread)
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Manners? LOL. You're just like my wife, you sense "attitude" when there is none. I am not offering proof of anything, it's my best guess using logic based on the facts. You are asking me questions as though you didn't read my posts. I answered all your questions up thread. I guess you just don't want to hear them.
The knoll shot was side-front using a frangible bullet that blew out a perfectly circular 2 inch diameter hole at JFK's right temple. This was an entrance wound that blew out when the bullet exploded creating a skull hinge on the right side of the blow out.
The overpass shot was full-frontal. I assume there was a shot from the front because JFK had a fist-sized hole in the back of his head. This had to be a blow out from a frontal shot which was an exit wound (if a FMJ bullet was used). I placed the shooter on the overpass because that matched the trajectory of the bullet that blew out the hole in the back of his head.
Those 2 shots are responsible for JFK's motion, "back and to the left". I also explained why the placement of a blow out hinge on the skull does not necessarily indicate where the shot came from.
JMHO of course. It certainly wasn't Oswald taking a shot from the TSBD that simultaneously blew out JFK's right temple AND the back of his head. So if it wasn't Oswald shooting magic frangible bullets then....you tell me.
PS. "Overpass" is inaccurate. The frontal shot came from the tracks to the left of the overpass. (see graphic up thread)
Thanks for sharing your harmonious marital situation.
I get it, your just guessing. Same as myself.
Your previous pronouncements had a certainty that I mistook for a deeper knowledge of the situation.
Up to this point I had the feeling it was two simultaneous headshots - one from behind, one from in front causing the 'back and to the left' motion.
The issue with the flap of scalp falling forward is confusing. Reading Pat Speers work on it at the moment.
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Thanks for sharing your harmonious marital situation.
I get it, your just guessing. Same as myself.
Your previous pronouncements had a certainty that I mistook for a deeper knowledge of the situation.
Up to this point I had the feeling it was two simultaneous headshots - one from behind, one from in front causing the 'back and to the left' motion.
The issue with the flap of scalp falling forward is confusing. Reading Pat Speers work on it at the moment.
How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?
The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.
PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.
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How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?
The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.
PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.
Simultaneous shots?
Was this by design?
Do tell.
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There was a recording of a reporter from a news station on the scene and he said there were "2 shots in rapid succession" were his words when reporting to the news station. If it was from the same gun, it would have had to be an automatic handgun. If not, there were 2 shooters.
I have always said the man rolling into the grass (Malcom Summers) as the car rolls by has a lot of explaining to do and had momentum. No one else in the sidelines moves! There are serious doubts about this man's identity. He came forward after the film was released to the public - not before. The windshield needed changing and car removed out of Texas - wonder why?
Because there is no picture or x-ray data of his body, Ida Dox drew a picture. I still fail to see a bone structure in Z337 and for me the head is missing. I know Jerry Organ posted a picture of a "round" head which apparently was left behind after the bone flap hinged down. I disagree. That is her shoulder and you can see her movement and watch her glove come over what was left of the head. Alteration for me is evidence that they needed to show a shot from TSBD. I would like it proven that Z312 and Z337 don't show an ear.
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z312.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z337.jpg)
Continuing that argument, follow Jacqueline's shoulder movement and see her left glove appear above his head at Z340 and more of it in Z341. The white glove in Z341 is showing up where the head should be - the head just isn't there anymore! The shoulder is always there in frames Z338 and Z339 and you can see her body flow as she prepares her escape. Again, that vertical line in Z337 is a major cut and paste as you can see the horizontal line in the grass where the hue of the cut doesn't quite match the grass beside and it is a cut extending vertical down right next to her head! Again dark side/light side where you would expect to blend a cut line in. That shiny white spot where his head was is her left glove in Z341!!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z338.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z339.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z340.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z341.jpg)
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How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?
My post says a shot from the front causing the back/left motion
The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.
Guesswork
PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.
Fantasy
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Greetings, Dan
When I first started researching this event, I was much like yourself--uncertain of what to think but wary of most of those pushing this theory or that.
So I spent a few years full-time, and then another dozen years or so part-time, reading texts and articles on subjects such as military medicine, forensic pathology, forensic radiology, neutron activation analysis, and cognitive psychology, and added the highlights into my website on the Kennedy assassination, patspeer.com.
Chapters 16 -16d should be of particular interest. Chapter 16 recounts the Warren Commission's attempts at replicating Kennedy's head wound, and Chapter 16b recounts the history of the study of wound ballistics (as it relates to the Kennedy assassination) and the facts leading to the conclusion Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound of both entrance and exit. Chapter 16c discusses the damage to Kennedy's brain, and how this supports the probability Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound to the right temple and top of his head. And Chapter 16d discusses the Discovery Channel's failed attempt at re-creating Kennedy's head wound as described by the HSCA, and accidental re-creation of what would appear to have been his actual wound.
You might wish to start with Chapter 16b. (This actually goes for anyone reading this thread. I recently received a phone call from two prominent doctors who have written on this case, and I had to go through Chapter 16b step-by-step as much of what I've uncovered was news to them.)
Regards, Pat
A tangential headshot from behind perfectly (in my mind at least) accounts for the massive flap of scalp we can see falling forward in the Gif in the OP. The exposed scalp we can see on the side of his head appears to have been 'sheared off' from towards the top of the head and is hanging down, the flap appearing to be hinged towards the temple area.
As you demonstrate, it accounts for the Harper fragment as well.
But does it account for JFK's back/left movement...
I'm still working that through.
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My post says a shot from the front causing the back/left motion
Ok, let's explore your premise. You believe this was a conspiracy and there were 2 near simultaneous head shots that you believe came from the back and the front:
1) Do you consider the knoll shot to be the "shot from the front" or do you doubt the knoll shooter existed? If so, then where was the frontal shot taken from?
2) What damage did the shot from the front inflict on JFK and was it a frangible bullet (unlike a FMJ bullet such as CE399)?
3) Did the shot from the front blow out JFK's right temple or did it blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?
4 ) What effect did the shot from behind have on JFK's body and what damage did it inflict on JFK?
5) Did the shot from the back blow out JFK's right temple or blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?
What's your guesswork?
The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.
Guesswork
There may have been another simultaneous shot from behind taken from the Dal-Tex building from the same shooter that struck JFK in the back and out his throat, but there is no evidence for it. The right temple skull flap notwithstanding. Otherwise, there is no trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD, into JFK's back and out his throat. This is not guesswork, it's simple geometry.
PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.
Fantasy
You just need to apply some logic and critical thinking here. If you are convinced there were 2 or more shooters then you believe this was a conspiracy. If so, then it was a coup d'etat. Every good coup needs a patsy. Oswald was it. He had to be portrayed as a LN and the ONLY shooter. How do you accomplish that with multiple shooters set up in a crossfire? It is imperative that no one suspects there was more than Oswald taking shots at JFK. The ONLY way to pull that off is to have a Turkey Shoot Point where several near simultaneous shots sound like 1 shot + echoes.
You do the math Mr. Fantasy, I didn't invent this concept, I'm just relaying it. Otherwise, you must be a CT (Coincidence Theorist) to think that multiple shooters set up in a crossfire just happen to take their shots a fraction of a second apart.
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Ok, let's explore your premise. You believe this was a conspiracy and there were 2 near simultaneous head shots that you believe came from the back and the front:
1) Do you consider the knoll shot to be the "shot from the front" or do you doubt the knoll shooter existed? If so, then where was the frontal shot taken from?
2) What damage did the shot from the front inflict on JFK and was it a frangible bullet (unlike a FMJ bullet such as CE399)?
3) Did the shot from the front blow out JFK's right temple or did it blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?
4 ) What effect did the shot from behind have on JFK's body and what damage did it inflict on JFK?
5) Did the shot from the back blow out JFK's right temple or blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?
What's your guesswork?
There may have been another simultaneous shot from behind taken from the Dal-Tex building from the same shooter that struck JFK in the back and out his throat, but there is no evidence for it. The right temple skull flap notwithstanding. Otherwise, there is no trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD, into JFK's back and out his throat. This is not guesswork, it's simple geometry.
You just need to apply some logic and critical thinking here. If you are convinced there were 2 or more shooters then you believe this was a conspiracy. If so, then it was a coup d'etat. Every good coup needs a patsy. Oswald was it. He had to be portrayed as a LN and the ONLY shooter. How do you accomplish that with multiple shooters set up in a crossfire? It is imperative that no one suspects there was more than Oswald taking shots at JFK. The ONLY way to pull that off is to have a Turkey Shoot Point where several near simultaneous shots sound like 1 shot + echoes.
You do the math Mr. Fantasy, I didn't invent this concept, I'm just relaying it. Otherwise, you must be a CT (Coincidence Theorist) to think that multiple shooters set up in a crossfire just happen to take their shots a fraction of a second apart.
First you bring your wife into it and now you're calling me Mr Fantasy!
It's getting a bit weird but let's press on regardless.
Here's my guesswork:
In his comprehensive analysis of around 200 ear-witness statements regarding the shots, Pat Speer has established that the vast majority of these witnesses describe hearing three audible shots. I accept that.
A large percentage of these witnesses also describe a specific pattern to the shots - shot, pause, two shots closer together. Even though there are other witnesses who describe slightly different patterns I accept this shot pattern.
In my mind the best way to set up Oswald as the shooter in the sniper's nest is to have someone firing audible shots from the sniper's nest.
The worst way to set up Oswald as the shooter in the sniper's nest is to have audible shots coming from places other than the sniper's nest - grassy knoll, overpass, storm drain, Dal-Tex etc. etc.
I believe it was John Mytton who created (or at least posted) the truly horrifying Gif below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxK2VSdv/JFKAutopsy-Morph.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
Firstly, I'm not seeing a fist-sized blowout at the back of the head or a blowout at the temple. I'm seeing something way more profound and it makes me think two things:
1) A single bullet cannot have caused this amazing amount of damage
2) The immense forces required to create this much damage must be reflected in the way JFK's head moves.
This second point brings me to the back/left motion of JFK's head and body. This movement must surely reflect a force (bullet strike) coming from somewhere in front of him. I find it very hard to get away from this but I also find it hard to get away from the idea that someone is up in the sniper's nest taking shots at JFK's head, shots that are deliberately audible as part of the set-up of Oswald. The first shot is a few inches too low, there is a pause then a headshot. As this shot enters the back of his head, shattering his skull, there is an almost simultaneous shot from the front that utterly destroys his already damaged head. It is a coincidence that both shots are so close together as I can't imagine a serious mechanism by which shooters at different parts of Dealey plaza can coordinate their shots to be taken at the same moment.
Here's a bit of fantasy - The shot from in front must be suppressed as it ruins the set-up otherwise. The purpose of the front shot is insurance to make sure JFK doesn't get out of Dealey Plaza once the shooting starts. If the shooter at the front had waited one more second he wouldn't have had to take the shot.
The problem (or at least one of them) with all this is the way the massive flap of scalp hangs from JFK's head which indicates the shot that did all the damage came from behind.
The spraying of bullet fragments inside of the limo suggests frangible ammo but this doesn't really solve the problem.
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I think you can fantasize all you want.
1) There is no pictures or x-rays of JFK's body. Some Ida Dox drawings - no real evidence. The autopsy reports massaged. If there is anything (I doubt it!), it is still locked up and invisible to the public for a mysterious reason.
2) If there was a shot from behind, Jacqueline Kennedy would have been blinded by blood and brain matter if you can believe what you see is what we are shown the front of his head looked like. Watch her hand movement over where we think his head is! Not only scalp tears but bone and brain get blown out as well!
3) It took her a lot of frames to look up from examining his chest when JFK's arms went up after Z313. You might say she wasn't blinded. This is the case if bullet came from front and damage went out the back. She would have remained relatively clean and with wind from front and automobile speed moving forward - everything ending up behind.
4) Horror didn't set in until many frames later for her. Point is, she would have been hit in the face and eyes with blood and brain matter, she did not react like that at all.
5) Look at each frame and figure out position of even JFK's shoulders and you have to say his body is not reflective of where his head is. The amount of damage proposed and to see a skull left is impossible because it isn't in the picture. There is no nice round oval brain in Z338. It is her shoulder not his head. You have to examine all those frames and watch the movement to note her shoulder and glove. What moves and what doesn't. As I said, cut lines visible on Z338 - proving someone altered the film early on. They needed a LNer to wear the coup d'etat!
6) No one wants to see the truth even if it stares them in the face!
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As I said before, it is all fantasy and an illusion! in 1 frame the tip of a glove turns into a full hand and the head is gone. 1/18 of a second for that little illusion to take place.
Just have to follow the motion to know that is invalid somehow and can't be explained away. Just like cut and paste on Z337!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z340.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z341.jpg)
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As I said before, it is all fantasy and an illusion! in 1 frame the tip of a glove turns into a full hand and the head is gone. 1/18 of a second for that little illusion to take place.
Just have to follow the motion to know that is invalid somehow and can't be explained away. Just like cut and paste on Z337!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z340.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z341.jpg)
I'm not sure what you think you see but as Kennedy's head is falling down, Jackie is simultaneously getting the hell out of there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QCvs8Dy/z340-z341.gif)
Btw have you got any ideas of how your special effects were accomplished and can you provide any examples of photo realistic celluloid film manipulation that compares to what we see in the Zapruder film. Or perhaps you can quote some visual effects experts who endorse the type of alterations that the CT community says occurred in the Zapruder Film?
JohnM
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I think you can fantasize all you want.
1) There is no pictures or x-rays of JFK's body. Some Ida Dox drawings - no real evidence. The autopsy reports massaged. If there is anything (I doubt it!), it is still locked up and invisible to the public for a mysterious reason.
2) If there was a shot from behind, Jacqueline Kennedy would have been blinded by blood and brain matter if you can believe what you see is what we are shown the front of his head looked like. Watch her hand movement over where we think his head is! Not only scalp tears but bone and brain get blown out as well!
3) It took her a lot of frames to look up from examining his chest when JFK's arms went up after Z313. You might say she wasn't blinded. This is the case if bullet came from front and damage went out the back. She would have remained relatively clean and with wind from front and automobile speed moving forward - everything ending up behind.
4) Horror didn't set in until many frames later for her. Point is, she would have been hit in the face and eyes with blood and brain matter, she did not react like that at all.
5) Look at each frame and figure out position of even JFK's shoulders and you have to say his body is not reflective of where his head is. The amount of damage proposed and to see a skull left is impossible because it isn't in the picture. There is no nice round oval brain in Z338. It is her shoulder not his head. You have to examine all those frames and watch the movement to note her shoulder and glove. What moves and what doesn't. As I said, cut lines visible on Z338 - proving someone altered the film early on. They needed a LNer to wear the coup d'etat!
6) No one wants to see the truth even if it stares them in the face!
Really Allan?
Everything is fake?
Tell us all what evidence there is JFK was even assassinated.
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I'm not sure what you think you see but as Kennedy's head is falling down, Jackie is simultaneously getting the hell out of there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QCvs8Dy/z340-z341.gif)
Btw have you got any ideas of how your special effects were accomplished and can you provide any examples of photo realistic celluloid film manipulation that compares to what we see in the Zapruder film. Or perhaps you can quote some visual effects experts who endorse the type of alterations that the CT community says occurred in the Zapruder Film?
JohnM
Thanks for "animating" that for me. That is exactly the point I am showing. Where is the head? You see her glove going through what you thought was a head in the frame (Z340) before! Where is the actual head? My guess is it is down below. You can see nicely her shoulder movement and corresponding arm movement as she is getting the H out of there which you are correct in pointing out. The glove is still being surrounded by black which we are all assuming was hair/head in the prior frame. The so called golden nugget is moving back with her arm (that is located front and below her hand). It appears the hand is pushing through the illusive head area.
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Really Allan?
Everything is fake?
Tell us all what evidence there is JFK was even assassinated.
You are missing my point. Jacqueline's face was NOT covered in blood to the point she was blinded. If you had fragments scattered all over the frontal area and in the grass from a rear shot and she was staring with her head down looking at his abdomen at the time, she would have been blinded by the cloud. She doesn't even react to that cloud in Z313 - you can't even see her face through it. Horror sets in first when she looks up after the cloud is totally dispersed, 1/2 to 3/4 a second later If that shot came from TSBD, it would show something much different as her head is almost in front of his and a little down - she would have been lucky she didn't get hit too!
As I said before, if you can't see the cut line in Z338 passing right next to her face and passing through his head by the ear (vertical line), and then follow up to the horizontal cut in the grass (green hue not quite blended about a 1/4 to 1/2 inch above her hat), there is something wrong. Maybe John Mytton can blow that up for us so you can see the area better. I only know how to zoom in on windows photo viewer and advance through frames back and forward. You can enlarge it a little bit by using the control "+" or shrink control "-" button on your browser to get a closer look. I have a 27" high resolution computer monitor so not hard for me to see the contrasts.
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z337.jpg)
Again , it would be really useful if John Mytton could animate all the way through from Z337 to Z341 so that you can see her shoulder and can conclude that it is not a scalp- less President in Z337. I want to thank John for animating what he did (Z340/341). I am not quoting anyone, just following the visuals which he has nicely pointed out.
My point is the LNers need a shot from behind badly. The President lifted his arm and moves back after the massive head shot which I don't buy as a reflex action to that. It looks more like a defensive move - possibly still conscious enough to know what was happening. It is also contrary to the motion of car slowing down. If you stop suddenly everyone moves forward! You could launch an argument that fast acceleration (with a big boat!) throws him back in the car - no one saying that!
Fake to the point that you can send the film to an Eastman Kodak Lab in Rochester (named Hawkeye) and they can "massage it for ya".
News Reporter (some footage of tail lights on we are shown) say the car came to a stop. Eye witnesses said "the car momentarily halted". Where do you see that in the Zapruder film? Witnesses were wrong I guess - film can't be doubted!
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One other interesting point to make which I have seen and should be worth noting. There is a white spot on Conally's suit jacket on Z337 under armpit and in other frames which one could say is the lining of his coat (or shirt) which may show the pierce mark of the bullet that hit him. It is on several frames and seems to move with his body. Again another observation!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z337.jpg)
Maybe someone like John Mytton could animate and hi-light that spot. Again, not sure if that is a film defect but I don't think so in my opinion! Z336 is where you start to see that as it emerges from a shadow. You might almost concluded that it "ruffled" the jacket on Z336 as it coincides close with when the President was shot (Z330) with glass shard spray being reflected in light and picked up by camera on back of black backed SS agent! My opinion.
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One other interesting point to make which I have seen and should be worth noting. There is a white spot on Conally's suit jacket on Z337 under armpit and in other frames which one could say is the lining of his coat (or shirt) which may show the pierce mark of the bullet that hit him. It is on several frames and seems to move with his body. Again another observation!
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z337.jpg)
Maybe someone like John Mytton could animate and hi-light that spot. Again, not sure if that is a film defect but I don't think so in my opinion! Z336 is where you start to see that as it emerges from a shadow. You might almost concluded that it "ruffled" the jacket on Z336 as it coincides close with when the President was shot (Z330) with glass shard spray being reflected in light and picked up by camera on back of black backed SS agent! My opinion.
If you look at the clip in the opening post you will see what looks like blood that has streamed from JBC's armpit area down the back of his jacket, the white spot appears to be sunlight reflecting off the blood.
Forget all about alterations to the Z-film, you're wasting your time. Each frame contains, marks, scratches, blurs, etc. There's no point trying to read anything into them.
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You must look at the 2 frames that John Mytton put together. A frame is a picture and if the picture shows the hand where the head was (Z341), you have an issue!
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QCvs8Dy/z340-z341.gif)
If the head was there, the glove isn't. You can't have it both ways. The glove in a picture is visible and the head you thought should be there isn't. One frame out of place. Where did the head go when you can see the glove tip in Z340 behind head?
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Notice the blurring in z341.
Jackie's white-gloved hand is coming up behind JFK's head but is blurred.
What's the issue?
Look at how Hill's face changes between the two frames.
Is this blurring or proof of alteration?
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Forget Jackie, it's the Superhero Secret Service guy who moves faster than the speed of light.
For the record, I am an "alterationist", but only in the sense that "altering" means the excision of frames. Why the need for the creation of new, fake frames?
Impossible then.
Just keep it simple.
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Forget Jackie, it's the Superhero Secret Service guy who moves faster than the speed of light.
For the record, I am an "alterationist", but only in the sense that "altering" means the excision of frames. Why the need for the creation of new, fake frames?
Impossible then.
Just keep it simple.
I can respect that in terms of altering the film. Taking frames out to achieve an effect is infinitely easier than the wholesale manipulation of tiny celluloid frames some suggest (in my mind at least).
I always thought that the sequence involving the headshot was so low in the frame, right at the bottom of it, that all they had to do was shorten every frame of the film so that the headshot sequence ducked out of view in the film. This seems a lot more 'do-able' and would've saved a lot of the uproar and the outright disbelief of the official version caused by the Z-film as it stands.
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Notice the blurring in z341.
Jackie's white-gloved hand is coming up behind JFK's head but is blurred.
What's the issue?
Look at how Hill's face changes between the two frames.
Is this blurring or proof of alteration?
Don't get Hill involved. Just look at the glove, blurred or not, it covers what you thought was a head. Not difficult in my view to see and again thank you John Mytton for helping make my point. 1 frame difference (1/18 of a second). The hand just can't pierce a head and show up and the black hair disappear but remain on each side of glove! That is alteration showing up. If that is an alteration, you have to question why and have motive. I repeat, if your hellbent on showing a shot from behind or the LHO/LNER theory proved), then alteration is a legitimate motive. Failure to believe this proves that there was a grassy knoll/frontal shot, people moved up the hill, witnesses said car stopped, hole in windshield - all making it a massive coverup and a coup d'etat really did take place.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QCvs8Dy/z340-z341.gif)
Time (Life) that bought the film did not try to make money off it, they were hiding it from the people so they couldn't make their own judgments and kept it from the public for years! A few select photos were used by WC - not the whole film!
Again, the "massive" headshot at Z313, obscures Jacqueline in the film who is in front of his body and her face is not totally covered with explosive material is not possible. The plume went up 10 feet from that shot - she doesn't notice for 3/4 of a second. The sound alone of skull breaking when you are 2 feet away would cause immediate reaction. Steady Ike Altgens doesn't even flinch. "Malcom Summers" rolling into the grass behind him with momentum and doing a rollover. He was not just standing there - he was somewhere's else!
Again, no one ever asks Jacqueline what happened and again, please explain where head is hiding. Don't play 6 frames, just examine those 2 and tell me where... JFK's shoulder/suit position hasn't changed much in 1/18 of a second and you can't justify logically what you are seeing!
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Ok, I'll try one last time.
As Jackie's white-gloved hand emerges from behind JFK's head the white of her glove is blurred down and to the right, covering part of JFK's head.
How can we know the film is being blurred downwards?
Look at the door handles on the limo. In z340 there is one door handle.
In z341 there are two door handles, one under the other. The double image is caused by a blur of the frame.
The whiteness of Jackie's glove causes this effect to be more pronounced.
Notice the handkerchief in Clint Hills top pocket in z340.
In z341 there are clearly two handkerchiefs, one being lower and to the right of the other. Notice that, although the image of Hill's body that has moved forward is faded , the handkerchief is really clear due to its whiteness.
Jackie's white glove is being blurred down and to the right covering a part of JFK's head.
Nothing has been altered (what would be the point of altering this?), it's an illusion caused by blurring.
(Either that or Jackie is stabbing JFK through the head with a breadknife)
I can't explain it any better than that.
If you don't accept this explanation please explain why the film has been altered the way you think it has.
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Point taken. It appears blurring and ghosting and the fact that it is white (shutter speed slow?) that cause major issues here. Altgens camera suffers as well.
My major premise for alteration is that it was necessary to make sure there was only one shooter and he was in the sniper's nest. At Z341, The shooting definitely was all over to your point - it doesn't matter. I have always argued that Z330 was the shot, "Malcom Summers" was the shooter and rolled into the grass after doing his part. The light aberration in front compartment in Z330 was due to a shot and glass fragments showing up in the light. It took her about half a second to react to that and plan to escape. If Z313 never showed up, her reactions to me show Z322 and Z330 as 2 shots in rapid succession and Jacqueline's reaction thereafter.
I have never understood Jacqueline Kennedy's lack of response from Z313 on. Why she continues looking at his chest well after the cloud formed at Z313? Why she isn't wearing the explosion on her face? Why she being the most important witness to the event has never had to answer tough questions or any? It was all left in the hands of the "experts" and her opinion or bird's eye view never counted. She was a very smart lady and likely advised to shut up - she knew what was good for the children and her. Nothing would ever get her husband back or change the consequences and she was now an extremely wealthy single lady.
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If you look at the clip in the opening post you will see what looks like blood that has streamed from JBC's armpit area down the back of his jacket, the white spot appears to be sunlight reflecting off the blood.
Forget all about alterations to the Z-film, you're wasting your time. Each frame contains, marks, scratches, blurs, etc. There's no point trying to read anything into them.
We all know JFK ended up dead. The 3 Zapruder Films are so spliced and altered that you know it was a plot. Vertical splices all over on almost every frame and the other obvious ones that you would have to work harder at. If you look at Z322 and Z323, it looks like they had them laying one above the other when they used the razor blade!! If is was a LNer (like stated), there is no sense bending the evidence when you have already have the scapegoat and had him killed.
As I said, Z337 very bad (rectangle block) and so is Z334 angle splice through JFK's head. If I was a little better at photo editing, I would put together the photo evidence and show the effects of it all! However, I present again to examine. I don't think it is reasonable to say that it was all done to hide the gore. The 3 supposed films were hid for years -likely hoped they would be all scratched and ripped up, degrade and disappear. Even the antennae gets used as a vertical in splices or "missing"! The 3 lettered organizations that protect the Democrats now were all part of it! Why else modify? To protect the dignity of the President? Clear and simple it was a coup! Like Trump, he didn't belong in the Whitehouse and was in the way of the Military Industrial Complex.
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z322.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z323.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z334.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z337.jpg)
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If John Mytton would be so kind to post a gif of Z333 and Z334 and zoom in you would see that the spot on frame Z337 on Jacqueline's left arm/shoulder was already there in Z333 and does NOT move. I am working on my own gif but I would have to have some place to upload it to for sharing. The rest of head moves into that position but not that spot as it was already there! Again angular cut on Z334 is glaringly obvious. Those frames do not pass forensic scrutiny! They even draw her hair in! (I really can't believe people can't see this when these edits are so obvious. I guess you see what you want to believe.)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z333.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox/z300-z349/z334.jpg)
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I'd really like to believe something along these lines. Do you have any evidence to back this assertion?
I don't really want to get bogged down with SN. I just want to understand how a shot from the front can cause the kind of damage I'm highlighting.
A Pressure Cavity Blew Kennedy's Head Apart
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/exploded.htm
The simplest assumption about the explosion of Kennedy's head is that an exiting bullet ripped a large defect and the bullet and brain matter exited at the defect. In fact, the process was a bit more complicated. When a bullet hits human tissue, it loses a lot of energy in under a millisecond, and that energy has to go somewhere. In fact, the energy creates a pressure cavily in the tissue — almost as though a small stick of dynamite had been set off within the body.
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It doesn't really matter whether it was pressure or whatever. The important thing to prove is who was responsible for his death? The LNer was killed before he could speak! It is not about how. It is about uncovering the deception of lies planted by the government organizations to cover it all up. The real conspiracy was a spider web sown to elude the truth. It is all just conspiracy theory!
Obviously the people that used the Zapruder film to make a case with the LN new exactly what they were doing and had reason to heavily modify it! New evidence presented everyday to cover the tracks! I made my own gif with lightbox frames. The head was blown back, not forward. His head was already moving slowly forward before Z313! Just another coverup! Again matter on everything except Jacqueline Kennedy's eyes and face. She was not blinded by the debris cloud and tried to escape!
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I have posted images cropped from lightbox frames. Look at Z333 and you can see where you can see the spot on her shoulder before the head gets there in subsequent images and the hair was drawn in. A little more subtle to see the horizontal cut on rectangular cut piece on Z337 but you can see the head has moved forward and occupies "the illusion" in Z333.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MHkSqRrG/Combo-Z333-34-and-Z337.jpg)
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IMO, the hair sticking up effect is because the large fragmented piece of skull at the rear of the JFK skull (as in the lateral X-ray ) was turned inward when the bullet entered at upper right rear (occipital parietal )
However, it’s very suspicious to me as to why there is no CLEAR definite location of and entrance hole,and only a photo of a gloved hand gripping some hair , and resorting to Ida Dox pencil drawing.
It’s the same with the photo showing an intact forehead with eyes open and sockets intact, in contrast to Z film frames indicating totally obliterated skull and Frontal X ray indicating missing frontal forehead skull
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A Pressure Cavity Blew Kennedy's Head Apart
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/exploded.htm
The simplest assumption about the explosion of Kennedy's head is that an exiting bullet ripped a large defect and the bullet and brain matter exited at the defect. In fact, the process was a bit more complicated. When a bullet hits human tissue, it loses a lot of energy in under a millisecond, and that energy has to go somewhere. In fact, the energy creates a pressure cavily in the tissue — almost as though a small stick of dynamite had been set off within the body.
FWIW, I retrace the entire history of wound ballistics literature in chapter 16 and 16b of my website, patspeer.com, and demonstrate that the explosion of Kennedy's skull was many times what one would expect should Kennedy have been struck by a bullet on the back of the skull that traversed the brain without breaking up before exploding from the top of the skull. It's night and day. (And gruesome. Beware.)
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IMO, the hair sticking up effect is because the large fragmented piece of skull at the rear of the JFK skull (as in the lateral X-ray ) was turned inward when the bullet entered at upper right rear (occipital parietal )
However, it’s very suspicious to me as to why there is no CLEAR definite location of and entrance hole,and only a photo of a gloved hand gripping some hair , and resorting to Ida Dox pencil drawing.
It’s the same with the photo showing an intact forehead with eyes open and sockets intact, in contrast to Z film frames indicating totally obliterated skull and Frontal X ray indicating missing frontal forehead skull
(https://i.postimg.cc/MHkSqRrG/Combo-Z333-34-and-Z337.jpg)
I think you just missed my point. I am talking about "her" hair in Z333 - the "very dark" squiggle going down the side of her face on her left side. If you look closely beside where they drew this in, you can already see the "stain" (for lack of a better word) on her left shoulder next to the hair. If you compare that "stain" to what you see in frame Z337, 4 frames later, the head moved forward and some might suggest that you see a skull bone you on that frame. However that "stain" has not moved off of her arm - JFK's head did move forward and it appears to be part of stain. The people that used this filmin the WC and hid it for many years went to great lengths to doctor it. The dark hair is no longer there either but is nicely rounded. I guess you could argue it was a piece of lint on the film when it was digitized! But it clearly the cut on Z334 shows 2 different quality pictures on either side of the diagonal cut line - so go figure it is just light aberration!
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FWIW, I retrace the entire history of wound ballistics literature in chapter 16 and 16b of my website, patspeer.com, and demonstrate that the explosion of Kennedy's skull was many times what one would expect should Kennedy have been struck by a bullet on the back of the skull that traversed the brain without breaking up before exploding from the top of the skull. It's night and day. (And gruesome. Beware.)
One of my most firmly held beliefs about the shooting of JFK has been overturned.
After reading your work relating to the head shot I am convinced the shot came from behind.
It explains the large flap of scalp that seems to be blown from the upper part of the skull and is hanging down by the side of JFK's head (exposing the inside of the scalp)
The biggest sticking point for me was JFK's head and body movement - back and to the left.
At the moment of impact JFK's chin appears to be resting on his chest. The tremendous force of the 'explosion' forces his chin further into his chest which then causes his head to rebound backwards.
No neuromuscular reaction.
No "jet effect".
Just simple physics.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJF858sd/Head-Shot-close.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
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One of my most firmly held beliefs about the shooting of JFK has been overturned.
After reading your work relating to the head shot I am convinced the shot came from behind.
It explains the large flap of scalp that seems to be blown from the upper part of the skull and is hanging down by the side of JFK's head (exposing the inside of the scalp)
The biggest sticking point for me was JFK's head and body movement - back and to the left.
At the moment of impact JFK's chin appears to be resting on his chest. The tremendous force of the 'explosion' forces his chin further into his chest which then causes his head to rebound backwards.
No neuromuscular reaction.
No "jet effect".
Just simple physics.
Simple physics? How does it explain a non-exploding FMJ bullet shot from behind exploding in JFK's head, forcing his head backwards and to the left?
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxK2VSdv/JFKAutopsy-Morph.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
Note the hinged skull fragments at the right temple blowout. That is an entrance wound from a frangible bullet that exploded in JFK's head causing most of the damage you see above. This pushed JFK's head violently to the left.
However, another entrance wound from a near simultaneous shot came from the front at JFK's hairline, right about here...
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Malcolm_Kilduff.png)
That shot blew out a fist sized hole in the occipital region at the back of JFK's head, which was blacked out on the Z film. That shot pushed JFK's head violently backward.
Otherwise, how does your physics explain the explosion in JFK's head that blew his scalp backwards? (note the blacked out region at the back of JFK's head, which was done using an optical printer while making a copy of the Z film, which is what Zapruder had returned to him)
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/323.png)
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A Pressure Cavity Blew Kennedy's Head Apart
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/exploded.htm
The simplest assumption about the explosion of Kennedy's head is that an exiting bullet ripped a large defect and the bullet and brain matter exited at the defect. In fact, the process was a bit more complicated. When a bullet hits human tissue, it loses a lot of energy in under a millisecond, and that energy has to go somewhere. In fact, the energy creates a pressure cavily in the tissue — almost as though a small stick of dynamite had been set off within the body.
You mean like the huge exit hole that the magic bullet blew out of JFK's throat? Or was that exit wound actually a tiny hole in his throat which was disguised by performing a tracheostomy on a dead man? I guess the tiny bullet exit hole wasn't big enough to put a tracheostomy tube thru. JFK's corpse wound up getting a hole cut in his throat so big it surely would have killed him if he wasn't dead already. All to cover up a bullet entrance wound like this post-surgery Dr. Humes performed on JFK to remove a small hole in his head from another shot from the front.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/postsurgery.jpg)
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Simple physics? How does it explain a non-exploding FMJ bullet shot from behind exploding in JFK's head, forcing his head backwards and to the left?
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxK2VSdv/JFKAutopsy-Morph.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
Note the hinged skull fragments at the right temple blowout. That is an entrance wound from a frangible bullet that exploded in JFK's head causing most of the damage you see above. This pushed JFK's head violently to the left.
However, another entrance wound from a near simultaneous shot came from the front at JFK's hairline, right about here...
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Malcolm_Kilduff.png)
That shot blew out a fist sized hole in the occipital region at the back of JFK's head, which was blacked out on the Z film. That shot pushed JFK's head violently backward.
Otherwise, how does your physics explain the explosion in JFK's head that blew his scalp backwards? (note the blacked out region at the back of JFK's head, which was done using an optical printer while making a copy of the Z film, which is what Zapruder had returned to him)
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/323.png)
Hi jack,
If you read the OP you will see that I had pretty much the same opinion as yourself right now.
I'll try to explain what I'm seeing now but I also spent a bit of time reading Pat Speer's work regarding the history of headshots and how it relates to JFK. It was quite illuminating and helped me understand the discrepancy I was seeing in the Z-film regarding how JFK's scalp was hanging forward in the Z-film (something you seem not to have noticed).
The first point is to clear up this notion of a bullet exploding in JFK's head. You mention it a couple of times in your post and I don't know where you're getting that information from. I can't find anyone who says the bullet explodes in his head.
As for JFK's head movement - even though I explained my current view in the post you responded to (which you don't seem to have picked up on) I would like to look into it further. I would like to ask you a serious question - If you study the Gif I posted (Reply #56)
of the moment of the headshot, what is the very first movement of JFK's head immediately after the impact?
One last thing, you're idea that the Z-film has been altered to cover up a blow out in JFK's head is BS:
The Z-film has not been altered.
To any observer of the moment of the assassination, the most obvious giveaway that there is a shot from somewhere other than the TSBD is the 'back and to the left' movement of JFK. If that can't be altered there's no point in altering anything else.
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I have based the gif on the Lightbox frames available, Z350,Z353,Z356,Z359 are not available to use. Each of these are 3 frames apart which would slow the car down in the gif. They are valuable as it gives clearer definition of how high Jacqueline's arm is above JFK's head when leaving the car seat. When I aligned the images with the car seat to keep it stationary, it removes much of slight frontal movement you see in Dan's gif. My gif shows that his head doesn't move forward - maybe slightly!
Jacqueline's reactions coincide well with Z323 and Z330 (with windshield light aberration), her shock, and splatter seen on her dress thereafter. She really takes notice at Z325 and shocked at Z337 when her gaze comes up from looking earlier at his chest and hand in that area that she is observing. If skull cracking at Z313, didn't immediately alert her to head issues, I don't know what did? Looks clearer in Gimp Software. "Two shots in quick succession" as reporter at the scene said in his radio interview which coincides with pseudo Malcom Summers rolling in the grass beside Altgens. Some suggested car momentarily halted, would make sense using an automatic pistol and having the SS jump off the back car and catch the front! At 10 mph constant speed or car speeding up from that - impossible even if it was a big boat!
https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif (https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
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I have based the gif on the Lightbox frames available, Z350,Z353,Z356,Z359 are not available to use. Each of these are 3 frames apart which would slow the car down in the gif. They are valuable as it gives clearer definition of how high Jacqueline's arm is above JFK's head when leaving the car seat. When I aligned the images with the car seat to keep it stationary, it removes much of slight frontal movement you see in Dan's gif. My gif shows that his head doesn't move forward - maybe slightly!
Jacqueline's reactions coincide well with Z323 and Z330 (with windshield light aberration), her shock, and splatter seen on her dress thereafter. She really takes notice at Z325 and shocked at Z337 when her gaze comes up from looking earlier at his chest and hand in that area that she is observing. If skull cracking at Z313, didn't immediately alert her to head issues, I don't know what did? Looks clearer in Gimp Software. "Two shots in quick succession" as reporter at the scene said in his radio interview which coincides with pseudo Malcom Summers rolling in the grass beside Altgens. Some suggested car momentarily halted, would make sense using an automatic pistol and having the SS jump off the back car and catch the front! At 10 mph constant speed or car speeding up from that - impossible even if it was a big boat!
https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif (https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
Hi Allan,
the copy you have created is really poor quality and has lost a great amount of detail. Let's stick with the far superior quality copy I posted:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJF858sd/Head-Shot-close.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
As you correctly pointed out, the very first movement of JFK's head after the impact is forward.
I would argue that, after he is first shot, JFK begins to lower his head and just before the headshot his chin is, more or less, resting on his chest. That's how it appears to me at least.
When we look at the horrifying Gif John posted showing the full extent of JFK's head injury, we must conclude that an immense amount of force was required to cause that amount of damage and that a force this great would knock JFK's head around on his neck showing us from which direction the force came. Until recently I was convinced that the 'back and to the left' motion of JFK's head clearly demonstrated that the force which destroyed JFK's head came from the front right.
However, in the OP I show that doubts creep into to this way of looking at things when I notice that the massive flap of blown-out scalp hanging from the side of JFK's head hangs forward.
Reading Pat Speer's work on headshots convinced me that the shot came from behind and it explained why the 'massive flap of blown-out scalp' looks the way it does.
This left me with the 'back and to the left' motion'.
How could this be caused by a shot from the back?
Once I was looking at it as a shot/force from behind it became obvious:
A massive force is applied to the upper part of JFK's head from behind
JFK's head pivots forward on his neck
However, his chin is resting on his chest so this forward momentum of his head, 'rebounding' off his chest, is converted into upwards and backwards momentum.
JFK's head pivots backwards moving his body slightly backwards as well.
If this above scenario is correct then the very first movement we should see after the impact to JFK's head is forward
And this is exactly what we do see
One final point
when JFK's head rebounds, it is not rebounding backwards but upwards
I believe this upwards momentum is reflected in JFK's arm movements after the impact of the headshot which seem to have an 'upward component' to them.
I see you have your usual nonsense about Jackie's reaction time and Malcolm Summers diving out of the way of shots being fired.
I know you view every scratch, mark, line, blur on the Z-film as potential alteration and I know I'll never be able to dissuade you from this tinfoil approach so I usually ignore it but I am completely fascinated by these sentences:
"Some suggested car momentarily halted, would make sense using an automatic pistol and having the SS jump off the back car and catch the front! At 10 mph constant speed or car speeding up from that - impossible even if it was a big boat!"
What are you saying here?
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Yes I can't recreate the quality I have in Gimp using the original lightbox frames gif'd together. I actually tried video taping it but it is grainy. However using a poor quality slowed down video recreation has its benefits. Each one of the frames should show JFK's head. I believe there is a great amount of editing which took place. If you follow the whole mass of his head and the golden nugget that is placed over it, either he has no head or the head is behind it and masked off. If you believe that there are "real" autopsy photos available, they do not line up with golden globe seen in film. Nor with a tracheotomy being done on a wound not located over the windpipe but off to the side. To be honest, I think the head was just starting to move forward with his initial injury done a few seconds earlier and a slump occurring that you are seeing. I see evidence of all heads in vehicle moving forward moments later when the brakes were applied too.
In other words, if the shot came from the front or grassy knoll and knocked off part of his skullcap off at Z330 (initial doctors in Dallas declared this), it makes sense. That is also backed up by the press release early that day by Malcom Kilduff at hospital and where he placed his hand pointing to the wound on himself and told the public Kennedy was dead.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Malcolm_Kilduff.png)
It would lead to credibility that it was a frontal / possible side shot to the head while his head was down. Pure speculation on my part, but some material fell out from the RHS location of the wound as shown in Z335. Having the wound off to the RHS was why Jacqueline's reaction was delayed and she likely responded more to a skullcap breakage at Z330 and then seeing what dropped to his lap. The other side of his head showed no signs of injury.
(https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z335.jpg)
I think at that point the head was located facing down and front. However we see no head there and can't visualize where it disappeared to other than pictoral blending obscuring it! John Mytton's post #35 points this out well. Head on both side of white glove, where is the head???? We only see sunlight glimmer at front but no head there!
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QCvs8Dy/z340-z341.gif)
Missing Lightbox frames show her hand going way up (Costella frames Z350 & Z353) above his head.
(https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z350.jpg)
(https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z353.jpg)
You can clearly see Jacqueline's glove path, even in my poorly presented gif over the entire Z340 interval! Note also Kennedy's head rolls back at the same time as Connally's body does when the car accelerates. As head rolled back, she had to lift her arm higher to clear it!
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QVrNjnQ/z310toz371-8bit.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
I will try again to get a better video. You can't concentrate on the few frames that you have represented. Jacqueline was unfazed by it for at least half a second - way too much reaction delay if you heard skull blow up in your face and your face located in the cloud that made that explosion! To me it is an impossible shot.
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Hi jack,
If you read the OP you will see that I had pretty much the same opinion as yourself right now.
I'll try to explain what I'm seeing now but I also spent a bit of time reading Pat Speer's work regarding the history of headshots and how it relates to JFK. It was quite illuminating and helped me understand the discrepancy I was seeing in the Z-film regarding how JFK's scalp was hanging forward in the Z-film (something you seem not to have noticed).
I already know your position and I'll repeat that you can't base any conclusions on how JFK's scalp was hanging, especially if a frangible bullet was used, which it was.
The first point is to clear up this notion of a bullet exploding in JFK's head. You mention it a couple of times in your post and I don't know where you're getting that information from. I can't find anyone who says the bullet explodes in his head.
Are you a newbie? Dr. Cyril H. Wecht has contended for decades that a frangible bullet exploded in JFK's head.
How can the magic bullet smash thru 3 bones and cause 7 wounds with no blow outs and show up pristine on the wrong stretcher with no DNA on it and the headshot bullet causes 3 massive blowouts and disintegrates in JFK's head? What kind of ballistics accounts for that without an explosion being involved? You should be able to answer with some simple physics.
As for JFK's head movement - even though I explained my current view in the post you responded to (which you don't seem to have picked up on) I would like to look into it further. I would like to ask you a serious question - If you study the Gif I posted (Reply #56)
of the moment of the headshot, what is the very first movement of JFK's head immediately after the impact?
Since Charles Nicoletti's shot from the overpass was a fraction of a second before James Files' shot from the knoll, JFK's head recoiled backward until Files' frangible bullet exploded in JFK's head forcing it to the left and blowing out JFK's right temple. The explosion also blew out the top of the skull where Nicoletti's shot entered and exited thru the occipital region in the back of the skull. This is based on the trajectory of Nicoletti's shot from the overpass:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot1.jpg)
You can see the explosion as the frangible bullet blows out JFK's right temple:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
One last thing, you're idea that the Z-film has been altered to cover up a blow out in JFK's head is BS:
The Z-film has not been altered.
To any observer of the moment of the assassination, the most obvious giveaway that there is a shot from somewhere other than the TSBD is the 'back and to the left' movement of JFK. If that can't be altered there's no point in altering anything else.
How could you possibly know that the Z film has not been altered? Because it has. The FBI returned a COPY of the Z film to Zapruder, which had sections spliced out, which Zapruder could not account for. The FBI claims someone damaged the film and spliced it back together. Sure.
If this was a conspiracy, then the FBI scrubbed the film for any evidence that countered the LN narrative. That would include anything that happened as the limo rounded the turn onto Elm St. and nearly stopped directly in front of the TSBD to avoid curbing out. Why didn't Oswald take the shot then? JFK was stopped only 60 feet in front of him. Why did he wait so long before taking the 1st shot? At any rate, the FBI felt the need to remove that section of the film before making a copy of it.
Other possible edits include removing any signs of a shot from the front, such as the blow out at the back of JFK's head. That one is easy-peasy. Just black out the back of the head on the original Z film on a few frames such as 323, before you make a copy:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/323.png)
One last edit might have been to decimate some frames to speed up the limo at the Turkey Shoot point, where it slowed down to a near stop so Hill could climb aboard. You can easily do that with an optical printer when you are making copies. You wouldn't need to skip very many frames to speed it up just enough to avoid a complete stop. You wouldn't even notice the discrepancy between the Z and Nix films but it is easy enough to do that for all the films. Was anyone returned an original negative? If the FBI gave up the original negatives, we would know. So where are they?
But the real question you should be asking yourself is why the limo slowed down at all. Where in the SS training manual does it say when you are driving the POTUS around and you hear gunshots you should slow down, especially at the Turkey Shoot Point? Then apparently you are supposed to turn around and watch the POTUS' head explode before stepping on the gas and getting outta Dodge.
Face it, this was a conspiracy and the FBI were the cleaners. Their job was to scrub all evidence of anything that contradicted the LN narrative. That included confiscating all photos and films at the scene, and any forensic evidence and testimony from witnesses. Hoover's orders.
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Hi Allan,
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"Some suggested car momentarily halted, would make sense using an automatic pistol and having the SS jump off the back car and catch the front! At 10 mph constant speed or car speeding up from that - impossible even if it was a big boat!"
What are you saying here?
Two shots in quick succession is not something expected from a bolt action carcano rifle firing at a moving object. Two shots spaced half a second a part would be what I would consider quick succession. This is attainable by using an automatic weapon where bullets come out without having to re-aim after using one hand to eject a round.
Considering Jack Trojan Post #12:
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot1.jpg)
Could the shot coming directly from the front and passing through the windshield have come from "pseudo Malcom Summers" placing the shot drawn as Jack has shown but a few frames later? At the very least, this man was a key witness. Maybe the shot from the overpass came whizzing past his head? If he didn't do it, he obviously saw or heard something to make him run back or back off and do a somersault. Altgens unfazed at the same time was not scared and unreactive - a bullet flying past him evoked no response. Remember, we have no other footage showing "Malcom Summers" position prior to his grass roll. What was his position prior to pictures taken of him in other films? Consider also that there is a possible reason for sunlight aberration across SS agent with head down in front seat which could be glass shards reflected in light. (I am referring to Z322 and Z330). One thing is sure, the car was whisked away without local examination and the windshield was admittedly changed. Jacqueline has a small reaction action at Z325 when her gaze moved from chest to his neck and an even greater one at Z334 when there would have been a great noise from Z330! Again my speculation on watching Jacqueline.
Having the SS agent run up and right beside motorcycles was a great distraction at the scene. I am sure the motorcycle escorts were observing this closely to make sure they wouldn't run over him. At Z339, you can see motorcycle slow down and watch the SS agent jump on the back. These folks weren't watching the surrounding area for a shooter, everyone was focused on him ju,ping on and Jacqueline trying to leave the car.
Consider, umbrella man and "Cuban" frantically waving hands in the air seconds before when first shot came in. "Hey look over here everybody! Pay attention to us. Watch the birdy!" Meanwhile something else takes place and distraction rules the day. Who else was hidden behind the sign that we don't see on that first shot? To me, if there was a coordinated effort, the very first shot comes from the other side of road - only Zapruder film shows those unknown characters in perfect position with perfect distraction!
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Are you a newbie? Dr. Cyril H. Wecht has contended for decades that a frangible bullet exploded in JFK's head.
Where in the video you posted does Wecht say the bullet exploded in JFK's head?
How can the magic bullet smash thru 3 bones and cause 7 wounds with no blow outs and show up pristine on the wrong stretcher with no DNA on it and the headshot bullet causes 3 massive blowouts and disintegrates in JFK's head? What kind of ballistics accounts for that without an explosion being involved? You should be able to answer with some simple physics.
What has the magic bullet got to do with the headshot?
3 massive blowouts? What are you talking about?
How could you possibly know that the Z film has not been altered? Because it has. The FBI returned a COPY of the Z film to Zapruder, which had sections spliced out, which Zapruder could not account for. The FBI claims someone damaged the film and spliced it back together. Sure.
"Because it has"
Well that's that settled
If this was a conspiracy, then the FBI scrubbed the film for any evidence that countered the LN narrative. That would include anything that happened as the limo rounded the turn onto Elm St. and nearly stopped directly in front of the TSBD to avoid curbing out. Why didn't Oswald take the shot then? JFK was stopped only 60 feet in front of him. Why did he wait so long before taking the 1st shot? At any rate, the FBI felt the need to remove that section of the film before making a copy of it.
Wouldn't you say JFK's back and to the left movement has been the biggest source for people thinking it was a conspiracy?
That's not been scrubbed out of the Z-film.
Why not just destroy the film and tell anyone who saw it to keep it shut?
Why bother altering it?
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Where in the video you posted does Wecht say the bullet exploded in JFK's head?
What has the magic bullet got to do with the headshot?
3 massive blowouts? What are you talking about?
"Because it has"
Well that's that settled
Wouldn't you say JFK's back and to the left movement has been the biggest source for people thinking it was a conspiracy?
That's not been scrubbed out of the Z-film.
Why not just destroy the film and tell anyone who saw it to keep it shut?
Why bother altering it?
As Jack pointed, they used the Zapruder Film to anchor the LNer theory. They used particular pictures (not entire film) in the WC to bolster their position. The film was held in secrecy for many years and not allowed to be viewed. To further prop the position taken, their own operative LHO had to die before he could issue any contrary statements to their narrative as well. Being a patsy, does not mean you weren't involved. It just means you didn't see the outcome and the role you played!
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As Jack pointed, they used the Zapruder Film to anchor the LNer theory. They used particular pictures (not entire film) in the WC to bolster their position. The film was held in secrecy for many years and not allowed to be viewed. To further prop the position taken, their own operative LHO had to die before he could issue any contrary statements to their narrative as well. Being a patsy, does not mean you weren't involved. It just means you didn't see the outcome and the role you played!
"They" didn't need the Z-film to support the 'Lone Assassin' model
There is nothing about the Z-film that supports the idea of shots from the TSBD
Not one thing.
The only thing the Z-film does is cast doubt on the idea of a 'Lone Assassin' and "they" knew that.
The Z-film did not need to be altered, it needed to be destroyed.
Why keep something that questions the 'Lone Assassin' model?
If "they" are so all-powerful why not simply destroy the Z-film and tell anyone who saw it to keep shut.
The Z-film is not required to support the "Lone Assassin" model.
Why bother altering it if the alterations could be discovered? Why take that chance?
The bottom line is that the Z-film has not been altered and "they" are not as all-powerful as the tinfoil brigade believes.
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"They" didn't need the Z-film to support the 'Lone Assassin' model
There is nothing about the Z-film that supports the idea of shots from the TSBD
Not one thing.
The only thing the Z-film does is cast doubt on the idea of a 'Lone Assassin' and "they" knew that.
The Z-film did not need to be altered, it needed to be destroyed.
Why keep something that questions the 'Lone Assassin' model?
If "they" are so all-powerful why not simply destroy the Z-film and tell anyone who saw it to keep shut.
The Z-film is not required to support the "Lone Assassin" model.
Why bother altering it if the alterations could be discovered? Why take that chance?
The bottom line is that the Z-film has not been altered and "they" are not as all-powerful as the tinfoil brigade believes.
How many times have you seen it quoted that his head moved forward at Z313 because of the impulse momentum of the shot that was fired from the TSBD? The blowout on that frame shows the explosion at the front - pretty good secondary evidence to use to build their case with.
If you don't think there was alteration, just look at my slow motion gif of the lightbox frames. Where is the head? I would like someone to draw it on the frames to show where it is. No head present, means you can't have an autopsy photo shown with no damage at the front. The head has mass and unfortunately the mass can't be found unless it is somewhere else.
If someone had really good copies of the frames, I would like to look at them to prove or disprove what I am saying. Send them to me and I would be happy to prove or disprove what I stated. I have only (Lightbox (125 KB) and Costella (270 KB)to work with and Jerry Organ's Lightbox Frames show the pictures/pixellation do show damage and signs of alterations where I think the head was.
In my mind, there is definitely cut line through his head at Z337 that everyone just ignores! It was a perfect slice past her head - but not well blended across his. I would really love a higher definition photo to disprove my theory. See my pictures posted below. Z312 has a good match to LHS of Z337 -notice pixel variation by her lips. It appears to be air brushing on her face where it fits over - extreme close fit of Z312 including collar! The other side of the cut line, i believe shows blood on it, bottom region. Again, air brushing appears to mask the upper region. No idea where that frame portion came from - could be a missing frame? I have used a cutout from Z327 which matches shape for this where I believe pixellation/air brushing took place and have superimposed its shape by rotation - shape matches beautifully.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zfGSGYqT/z337-blowup-b4head-visible.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/g0xsKb1m/z337rectangle-312-superimposed.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxHJkQwR/z337rectangle-327-overlayed.jpg)
And of course, Z333 with Jacqueline's hair - maybe lint - all unbelievably modified!
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVcZN3Fz/z333-blowup-Jacqueline-Hair.jpg)
I agree that the Zapruder Film has too many flaws and that the fatal shot does not even coincide with Moorman's polaroid. She snapped that polaroid at Z319 by my estimation - 6 frames after the Zapruder Z313 frame! All claims say it was taken before Z313. I can't see it - prove me wrong! I started a thread for it.
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How many times have you seen it quoted that his head moved forward at Z313 because of the impulse momentum of the shot that was fired from the TSBD? The blowout on that frame shows the explosion at the front - pretty good secondary evidence to use to build their case with.
And how many times have you heard conspiracy theorists say the "back and to the left" movement of JFK's head and body is clear evidence of a shot from the front.
As soon as the Z-film became public the "back and to the left" motion was jumped on by many as proof of conspiracy. If there was a shot from the front then there was more than one shooter. If there was more than one shooter there was a conspiracy.
I'm sure that anyone who sees the Z-film for the first time must be struck by JFK's movement after the headshot - "back and to the left".
This motion is. by far, the thing that indicates conspiracy so I ask you -
What is the point of altering anything in the Z-film if you leave in the most significant indicator of conspiracy?
Why not just destroy a film that contains such a clear indication of conspiracy?
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And how many times have you heard conspiracy theorists say the "back and to the left" movement of JFK's head and body is clear evidence of a shot from the front.
As soon as the Z-film became public the "back and to the left" motion was jumped on by many as proof of conspiracy. If there was a shot from the front then there was more than one shooter. If there was more than one shooter there was a conspiracy.
I'm sure that anyone who sees the Z-film for the first time must be struck by JFK's movement after the headshot - "back and to the left".
This motion is. by far, the thing that indicates conspiracy so I ask you -
What is the point of altering anything in the Z-film if you leave in the most significant indicator of conspiracy?
Why not just destroy a film that contains such a clear indication of conspiracy?
Answer that. What is the most significant indicator of conspiracy in your eyes?
For me, if you really had a LNer, there is no point having him or letting him be killed. (Nightclub owner Jack Ruby was a real patriot.) LHO was guilty as charged unless he had a story to tell which we never got to hear. He couldn't defend myself and so one less loose end. Holding the film in secrecy for years benefits nobody except the perpetrators. If you can prove film modification (in the case of Zapruder's), it was done as a coup - evidence wasn't there to convict LHO as a LNer otherwise! This modification was a very serious undertaking and took Hollywood experts. JFK didn't belong in the Whitehouse and neither does/did Trump. Not easy to prove 57 years later as evidence has been shredded. They should have made this film just disappear after 10 years - very ironic that JFK's blood can still cry out for justice.
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Answer that. What is the most significant indicator of conspiracy in your eyes?
For me, if you really had a LNer, there is no point having him or letting him be killed. (Nightclub owner Jack Ruby was a real patriot.) LHO was guilty as charged unless he had a story to tell which we never got to hear. He couldn't defend myself and so one less loose end. Holding the film in secrecy for years benefits nobody except the perpetrators. If you can prove film modification (in the case of Zapruder's), it was done as a coup - evidence wasn't there to convict LHO as a LNer otherwise! This modification was a very serious undertaking and took Hollywood experts. JFK didn't belong in the Whitehouse and neither does/did Trump. Not easy to prove 57 years later as evidence has been shredded. They should have made this film just disappear after 10 years - very ironic that JFK's blood can still cry out for justice.
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Answer that. What is the most significant indicator of conspiracy in your eyes?
I've already answered that Allan.
That was the point of my post.
IN THE Z-FILM, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INDICATOR OF CONSPIRACY IS JFK'S "BACK AND TO THE LEFT" MOTION.
My question is this - if you can't alter the most significant indicator of conspiracy in the Z-film (the "back and to the left" motion of JFK after the headshot), then what is the point of altering anything else in the Z-film?
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I've already answered that Allan.
That was the point of my post.
IN THE Z-FILM, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INDICATOR OF CONSPIRACY IS JFK'S "BACK AND TO THE LEFT" MOTION.
My question is this - if you can't alter the most significant indicator of conspiracy in the Z-film (the "back and to the left" motion of JFK after the headshot), then what is the point of altering anything else in the Z-film?
I didn't know you believed in a frontal shot anymore?! They all came from LHO right - rear and behind not? If that is not the case and it came from elsewhere, someone framed him and he was a patsy. I didn't say he wasn't involved. I believe he operated covertly and was used by his handlers. He didn't understand the outcome! Failure of an LNer means it was most definitely an overthrow in government and inside job. Why else would you go to great lengths to have him killed and tidy loose ends? The modifications I have seen are so obvious to me. If I had digitized photos bigger than 200 KB, there would laughable evidence to present. When you put Z313 into the mix, you are most definitely putting the explosion to the front. Contrary to the "cloud" theory, Mrs. Kennedy was not blinded instantly! If the rest of the sequence was showing more contrary evidence to this, you would need to hide it. Skulduggery at the highest level!
Again, we are told some files were locked up (as a matter of national security) for more than 50 years. What are people trying to hide or pretend to hide and why did they not just convicted LHO in the first place by court of law? I see very definite matches in those pictures I have posted. I have spent countless hours looking at Zapruder film and know what I see. You have to be blind not to see what I have shown with poor resolution photos. There is perfect match in Z312 to Z337 on LHS with "scrubbing" present even on Jacqueline's face where it was blended in.
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I didn't know you believed in a frontal shot anymore?! They all came from LHO right - rear and behind not? If that is not the case and it came from elsewhere, someone framed him and he was a patsy. I didn't say he wasn't involved. I believe he operated covertly and was used by his handlers. He didn't understand the outcome! Failure of an LNer means it was most definitely an overthrow in government and inside job. Why else would you go to great lengths to have him killed and tidy loose ends? The modifications I have seen are so obvious to me. If I had digitized photos bigger than 200 KB, there would laughable evidence to present. When you put Z313 into the mix, you are most definitely putting the explosion to the front. Contrary to the "cloud" theory, Mrs. Kennedy was not blinded instantly! If the rest of the sequence was showing more contrary evidence to this, you would need to hide it. Skulduggery at the highest level!
Again, we are told some files were locked up (as a matter of national security) for more than 50 years. What are people trying to hide or pretend to hide and why did they not just convicted LHO in the first place by court of law? I see very definite matches in those pictures I have posted. I have spent countless hours looking at Zapruder film and know what I see. You have to be blind not to see what I have shown with poor resolution photos. There is perfect match in Z312 to Z337 on LHS with "scrubbing" present even on Jacqueline's face where it was blended in.
You're not answering the question Allan.
JFK's "back and to the left" movement clearly suggests to anyone who sees the Z-film that there is a shot from the front.
Why alter the Z-film if you can't alter that?
What's the point?
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This is how i see the damage to the skull .
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Head7.jpg)
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Nix headshot Zoomed
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UpVHD04f4jw/WE_27UHWZII/AAAAAAAAAQk/yJK5XwOLMucDfCtzzzcPs3nPtzw6bvEAQCLcB/s1600/NixSlowZoomed.gif)
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Stabilized Zapruder GIF
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N6CnYbicsSc/WbUOqG4YYRI/AAAAAAAAAoE/o6hjK492J1IAddHfr0SERsVEX69TVR5eQCLcBGAs/s1600/Zap3.gif)
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Thanks for sharing that Robin Unger! That is very plausible and a reasonable theory. Is that why the head goes missing on Z337? The entire scalp and face was removed and it flew back with momentum and all pieces fell into the compartment when the car braked and he fell back forward ? In any of slides I have looked at, I have only seen tissue falling in Z335 (or maybe throwing up?). I know you have studied the films a lot. Does anyone have a good quality picture of Z337? Examining that image in the head area at front is critical to see if there was air brushing or just pixellation. That is a region showing up on Lightbox frame 337 that should be scrutinized carefully. If the whole entire front wasn't hanging from scalp down, it can not explain itself. It appears damage gets worse and worse from Z313 on as if the head was disappearing in a slow phosphorus burn -especially region z330 on.
It is too bad the xrays had to be held in top secret so as not to confirm fractures you have shown (for 50+ years). They likely don't even exist or substituted in. We were given renditions by sketch artists instead! So hard to prove anything without concrete evidence to look at. Obviously it doesn't match what Orville Nix said! The evidence gathered says that the shots came from the TSBD because there is proof that it did come from there! It doesn't matter what you think or thought you saw!!! Election fraud or not - there is no evidence to suggest otherwise!
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You're not answering the question Allan.
JFK's "back and to the left" movement clearly suggests to anyone who sees the Z-film that there is a shot from the front.
Why alter the Z-film if you can't alter that?
What's the point?
Sorry. Maybe, I should clarify. If there was even more proof of a frontal shot, you need to hide that evidence if there was even another shot. (2 shots in quick succession stated by many witnesses). If what you are saying is true, then why not investigate to prove - no contrary testimony presented at WC - case closed. We had ample witnesses that said the shots came from the grassy knoll - why was there voices unheard? Is any of that in the WC report? The investigators went to great lengths to prove that it was a LNer and that alone. "Expert" scientists said that the head moved slightly forward in Z313 and they ran with that as the ultimate explanation. We could say the President was actually shot by autopsy. No physical evidence presented such as x-rays. They didn't use them in WC report. We really don't need to see Z313 at all. Why even present any photos? They could have used all kinds of physical evidence at the scene (car, windshield etc.) The only physical evidence was a gun, casings, pristine bullet on a stretcher and a dead LHO at the hands of a nightclub owner.
Besides, You also have to make sure there is congruency between all pictures and films. You will note that there is not one film taken from or a clear view of the front of the car, all evidence presented was from one side only, far away. No photographers captured the front scene of the car or even another perspective from the grassy knoll for that matter - only Zapruder. If I brought a camera to the scene, I think I would have liked to be elevated on grassy knoll, facing the President's side and with elevation. There was lots of room over there too! Note the polaroid picture was snapped just beyond Z315 and not seen in Zapruder images. If I was taking a casual picture, I would have taken the picture a little closer to me like at Z300 where President and first lady would be facing me. It would have been photogenic and something to remember. Not one picture from that side! The polaroid was a freak picture and highly unusual as to when it was snapped IMO.
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Zapruder frame Crops.
(https://i.imgur.com/qdOf4EX.jpg)
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Zapruder frame Crops.
(https://i.imgur.com/qdOf4EX.jpg)
Really nicely done - amazing! I can see on Z337 the blued area where I could fit a Z327 head into. Look real close or blow up a bit and you can see a "round" hue change at the front. It fits so perfectly. I also have a perfect fit on the other side of Z337 cut image with Z312. I am not sure if you looked at my earlier posts. I examined very closely with poor quality images and you can see blending on the Z337 face where they removed part of the top of a nearly like Z312 image! Use my post below to examine closely!
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2755.msg104452.html#msg104452 (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2755.msg104452.html#msg104452)
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This is how i see the damage to the skull .
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Head7.jpg)
Hi Rob,
Fantastic work with the Gifs.
Your graphic for damage to the skull gels with this John Mytton Gif:
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxK2VSdv/JFKAutopsy-Morph.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
I don't know if you've read the OP but I'm starting to get the impression the top of JFK's skull was blown upwards and outwards.
The massive flap of scalp was forced down by the side, and slightly to the front, of his head. The way the flap of scalp seems to hang forward indicates (to me, at least) that the shot came from behind - contrary to my previous stance on this issue.
Pat Speer has written a compelling piece on the subject at his website.
As someone who seems to have dealt extensively with the film materials relating to the assassination, I wonder what your opinion of "alteration" is?
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to answer your question, anyone who has followed me on this forum and others over the last 15 - years knows that i do NOT believe in Alterationist theories.
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to answer your question, anyone who has followed me on this forum and others over the last 15 - years knows that i do NOT believe in Alterationist theories.
Did you study your cropped Z335 photo and look at the area in front of his head? Stare at a bit at your cropped image and you can see the outline /shade change in the region - different shade of blue. It can't be missed as I can see it even on my HD screen of what you posted and it is the same thing I see in zooming in on a Lightbox frame - think your copy makes it easier to distinguish.
Note: I just edited this as I realized your image was Z335 and has same spot in front of JFK's head showing a "blue hue". Z337 actually shows more if you exam it closely.....
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I was perusing Google Street View down Elm St and I wondered what the view was like back towards the sniper's nest. Here is what JFK would have seen during the headshot (Z-313) if he had turned around.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_Elm.gif)
Say what you will but the headshot was a helluva shot, especially looking thru a wonky scope that the FBI said couldn't have hit the broad side of a barn.
Imagine if JFK was shooting at Oswald in the SN window, then note how tiny a target his head would have been to hit it dead center looking thru a wonky scope. Oswald must have taken the 1st shot thru the scope and noticed a puff of smoke where the bullet struck the pavement indicating how far off his scope was. Then he switched to the iron sights and shot JFK in the back with the magic bullet, then bolted in the headshot bullet, fired it and struck JFK's coconut dead center, blowing out several skull fragments as the *FMJ fangible bullet practically blew his head off.
Like I said, Oswald was one helluva shot. Especially while wearing gloves. But why the hell did he keep the scope on the disassembled rifle he smuggled into the SN knowing it was not sighted in? And how the hell did he manage to keep all his fingerprints off the rifle as he re-assembled, fired and ditched it? Oh right, he wore gloves, then he ate them. You're right, he did it.
* There is no such thing as a FMJ frangible bullet.
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Zapruder frame Crops.
(https://i.imgur.com/qdOf4EX.jpg)
Yes, it was a heck of a shot Jack, loaded with an incideniary bomb that removed most of the head! Robin, I meant for you to look at Z335 that you posted. Although I found similar in Z337 in Lightbox frames. You can't miss the "blue hue area" in front of JFK's head. Stare at a few minutes and you can't help but see.....
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Say what you will but the headshot was a helluva shot, especially looking thru a wonky scope that the FBI said couldn't have hit the broad side of a barn.
Imagine if JFK returned fire at Oswald in the SN, then note how tiny a target his head would have been to hit it dead center looking thru a wonky scope. Oswald must have taken the 1st shot thru the scope and noticed a puff of smoke where the bullet struck the pavement indicating how far off his scope was. Then he switched to the iron sights and shot JFK in the back with the magic bullet, then bolted in the headshot bullet, fired it and struck JFK's coconut dead center, blowing out several skull fragments as the *FMJ fangible bullet practically blew his head off.
Like I said, Oswald was one helluva shot. Especially while wearing gloves. But why the hell did he keep the scope on the disassembled rifle he smuggled into the SN knowing it was not sighted in? And how the hell did he manage to keep all his fingerprints off the rifle as he re-assembled, fired and ditched it? Oh right, he wore gloves, then he ate them. You're right, he did it.
* There is no such thing as a FMJ frangible bullet.
A pretty good summary Jack!
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGchp9.html (https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGchp9.html)
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The "blue streak" is the left side of the limo as seen through jackies side window which was partially up.
Z-337
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/Zapruder%20Frames/Zapruder%20Frames/Cold_Case_JFK_mp4_snapshot_50_38_337.jpg)
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Zapruder "Nova Cold Case JFK" gallery
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=196 (https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=196)
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Thank you so much for sharing. You did a great job on these photos - pretty amazing and the best detail yet!