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Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2020, 07:16:10 AM »
There was a recording of a reporter from a news station on the scene and he said there were "2 shots in rapid succession" were his words when reporting to the news station.  If it was from the same gun, it would have had to be an automatic handgun. If not, there were 2 shooters.   

I have always said the man rolling into the grass (Malcom Summers) as the car rolls by has a lot of explaining to do and had momentum.  No one else in the sidelines moves!   There are serious doubts about this man's identity.  He came forward after the film was released to the public - not before.  The windshield needed changing and car removed out of Texas - wonder why?

Because there is no picture or x-ray data of his body,  Ida Dox drew a picture.  I still fail to see a bone structure in Z337 and for me the head is missing.   I know Jerry Organ posted a picture of a "round" head which apparently was left behind after the bone flap hinged down.  I disagree. That is her shoulder and you can see her movement and watch her glove come over what was left of the head.   Alteration for me is evidence that they needed to show a shot from TSBD.    I would like it proven that Z312 and Z337 don't show an ear.





Continuing that argument,  follow Jacqueline's shoulder movement and see her left glove appear above his head at Z340 and more of it in Z341.  The white glove in Z341 is showing up where the head should be - the head just isn't there anymore!   The shoulder is always there in frames Z338 and Z339 and you can see her body flow as she prepares her escape.  Again, that vertical line in Z337 is a major cut and paste as you can see the horizontal line in the grass where the hue of the cut doesn't quite match the grass beside and it is a cut extending vertical down right next to her head!  Again dark side/light side where you would expect to blend a cut line in. That shiny white spot where his head was is her left glove in Z341!!

 
 
 
 

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2020, 10:13:16 AM »
How does a shot from behind cause JFK to jerk back and to the left? And do you think that shot also blew out a "fist-sized hole" in the right occipital region of JFK's skull (back)?

My post says a shot from the front causing the back/left motion

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The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.

Guesswork

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PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2020, 07:31:18 PM »
Greetings, Dan

When I first started researching this event, I was much like yourself--uncertain of what to think but wary of most of those pushing this theory or that.

So I spent a few years full-time, and then another dozen years or so part-time, reading texts and articles on subjects such as military medicine, forensic pathology, forensic radiology, neutron activation analysis, and cognitive psychology, and added the highlights into my website on the Kennedy assassination, patspeer.com.

Chapters 16 -16d should be of particular interest. Chapter 16 recounts the Warren Commission's attempts at replicating Kennedy's head wound, and Chapter 16b recounts the history of the study of wound ballistics (as it relates to the Kennedy assassination) and the facts leading to the conclusion Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound of both entrance and exit. Chapter 16c discusses the damage to Kennedy's brain, and how this supports the probability Kennedy's large head wound was a tangential wound to the right temple and top of his head. And Chapter 16d discusses the Discovery Channel's failed attempt at re-creating Kennedy's head wound as described by the HSCA, and accidental re-creation of what would appear to have been his actual wound.

You might wish to start with Chapter 16b. (This actually goes for anyone reading this thread. I recently received a phone call from two prominent doctors who have written on this case, and I had to go through Chapter 16b step-by-step as much of what I've uncovered was news to them.)

Regards, Pat

A tangential headshot from behind perfectly (in my mind at least) accounts for the massive flap of scalp we can see falling forward in the Gif in the OP. The exposed scalp we can see on the side of his head appears to have been 'sheared off' from towards the top of the head and is hanging down, the flap appearing to be hinged towards the temple area.
As you demonstrate, it accounts for the Harper fragment as well.
But does it account for JFK's back/left movement...
I'm still working that through.

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2020, 07:45:00 PM »
My post says a shot from the front causing the back/left motion

Ok, let's explore your premise. You believe this was a conspiracy and there were 2 near simultaneous head shots that you believe came from the back and the front:

1) Do you consider the knoll shot to be the "shot from the front" or do you doubt the knoll shooter existed? If so, then where was the frontal shot taken from?
2) What damage did the shot from the front inflict on JFK and was it a frangible bullet (unlike a FMJ bullet such as CE399)?
3) Did the shot from the front blow out JFK's right temple or did it blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?
4 ) What effect did the shot from behind have on JFK's body and what damage did it inflict on JFK?
5) Did the shot from the back blow out JFK's right temple or blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?

What's your guesswork?

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The only shot from behind that hit the target was the magic bullet with the impossible trajectory, that Oswald didn't take.

Guesswork

There may have been another simultaneous shot from behind taken from the Dal-Tex building from the same shooter that struck JFK in the back and out his throat, but there is no evidence for it. The right temple skull flap notwithstanding. Otherwise, there is no trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD, into JFK's back and out his throat. This is not guesswork, it's simple geometry.

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PS The near simultaneousness of the shots at the Turkey Shoot Point (where the limo slowed down to) was by design, so that 2 or more shots sound like a single shot + echoes.

Fantasy

You just need to apply some logic and critical thinking here. If you are convinced there were 2 or more shooters then you believe this was a conspiracy. If so, then it was a coup d'etat. Every good coup needs a patsy. Oswald was it. He had to be portrayed as a LN and the ONLY shooter. How do you accomplish that with multiple shooters set up in a crossfire? It is imperative that no one suspects there was more than Oswald taking shots at JFK. The ONLY way to pull that off is to have a Turkey Shoot Point where several near simultaneous shots sound like 1 shot + echoes.

You do the math Mr. Fantasy, I didn't invent this concept, I'm just relaying it. Otherwise, you must be a CT (Coincidence Theorist) to think that multiple shooters set up in a crossfire just happen to take their shots a fraction of a second apart.
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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2020, 10:54:36 PM »
Ok, let's explore your premise. You believe this was a conspiracy and there were 2 near simultaneous head shots that you believe came from the back and the front:

1) Do you consider the knoll shot to be the "shot from the front" or do you doubt the knoll shooter existed? If so, then where was the frontal shot taken from?
2) What damage did the shot from the front inflict on JFK and was it a frangible bullet (unlike a FMJ bullet such as CE399)?
3) Did the shot from the front blow out JFK's right temple or did it blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?
4 ) What effect did the shot from behind have on JFK's body and what damage did it inflict on JFK?
5) Did the shot from the back blow out JFK's right temple or blow out a fist-sized hole at JFK's right occipital, or both?

What's your guesswork?

There may have been another simultaneous shot from behind taken from the Dal-Tex building from the same shooter that struck JFK in the back and out his throat, but there is no evidence for it. The right temple skull flap notwithstanding. Otherwise, there is no trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD, into JFK's back and out his throat. This is not guesswork, it's simple geometry.

You just need to apply some logic and critical thinking here. If you are convinced there were 2 or more shooters then you believe this was a conspiracy. If so, then it was a coup d'etat. Every good coup needs a patsy. Oswald was it. He had to be portrayed as a LN and the ONLY shooter. How do you accomplish that with multiple shooters set up in a crossfire? It is imperative that no one suspects there was more than Oswald taking shots at JFK. The ONLY way to pull that off is to have a Turkey Shoot Point where several near simultaneous shots sound like 1 shot + echoes.

You do the math Mr. Fantasy, I didn't invent this concept, I'm just relaying it. Otherwise, you must be a CT (Coincidence Theorist) to think that multiple shooters set up in a crossfire just happen to take their shots a fraction of a second apart.

First you bring your wife into it and now you're calling me Mr Fantasy!
It's getting a bit weird but let's press on regardless.

Here's my guesswork:

In his comprehensive analysis of around 200 ear-witness statements regarding the shots, Pat Speer has established that the vast majority of these witnesses describe hearing three audible shots. I accept that.
A large percentage of these witnesses also describe a specific pattern to the shots - shot, pause, two shots closer together. Even though there are other witnesses who describe slightly different patterns I accept this shot pattern.
In my mind the best way to set up Oswald as the shooter in the sniper's nest is to have someone firing audible shots from the sniper's nest.
The worst way to set up Oswald as the shooter in the sniper's nest is to have audible shots coming from places other than the sniper's nest - grassy knoll, overpass, storm drain, Dal-Tex etc. etc.

I believe it was John Mytton who created (or at least posted) the truly horrifying Gif below:



Firstly, I'm not seeing a fist-sized blowout at the back of the head or a blowout at the temple. I'm seeing something way more profound and it makes me think two things:
1) A single bullet cannot have caused this amazing amount of damage
2) The immense forces required to create this much damage must be reflected in the way JFK's head moves.

This second point brings me to the back/left motion of JFK's head and body. This movement must surely reflect a force (bullet strike) coming from somewhere in front of him. I find it very hard to get away from this but I also find it hard to get away from the idea that someone is up in the sniper's nest taking shots at JFK's head, shots that are deliberately audible as part of the set-up of Oswald. The first shot is a few inches too low, there is a pause then a headshot. As this shot enters the back of his head, shattering his skull, there is an almost simultaneous shot from the front that utterly destroys his already damaged head. It is a coincidence that both shots are so close together as I can't imagine a serious mechanism by which shooters at different parts of Dealey plaza can coordinate their shots to be taken at the same moment.

Here's a bit of fantasy - The shot from in front must be suppressed as it ruins the set-up otherwise. The purpose of the front shot is insurance to make sure JFK doesn't get out of Dealey Plaza once the shooting starts. If the shooter at the front had waited one more second he wouldn't have had to take the shot.
The problem (or at least one of them) with all this is the way the massive flap of scalp hangs from JFK's head which indicates the shot that did all the damage came from behind.
The spraying of bullet fragments inside of the limo suggests frangible ammo but this doesn't really solve the problem.


Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2020, 02:04:22 AM »
I think you can fantasize all you want.

1) There is no pictures or x-rays of JFK's body.  Some Ida Dox drawings - no real evidence.   The autopsy reports massaged.  If there is anything (I doubt it!), it is still locked up and invisible to the public for a mysterious reason.
2) If there was a shot from behind, Jacqueline Kennedy would have been blinded by blood and brain matter if you can believe what you see is what we are shown the front of his head looked like.  Watch her hand movement over where we think his head is!  Not only scalp tears but bone and brain get blown out as well!
3) It took her a lot of frames to look up from examining his chest when JFK's arms went up after Z313.  You might say she wasn't blinded.  This is the case if bullet came from front and damage went out the back.  She would have remained relatively clean and with wind from front and automobile speed moving forward - everything ending up behind.
4) Horror didn't set in until many frames later for her.  Point is,  she would have been hit in the face and eyes with blood and brain matter, she did not react like that at all.
5) Look at each frame and figure out position of even JFK's shoulders and you have to say his body is not reflective of where his head is.   The amount of damage proposed and to see a skull left is impossible because it isn't in the picture.  There is no nice round oval brain in Z338.   It is her shoulder not his head.  You have to examine all those frames and watch the movement to note her shoulder and glove.  What moves and what doesn't.   As I said,  cut lines visible on Z338 - proving someone altered the film early on.   They needed a LNer to wear the coup d'etat!
6) No one wants to see the truth even if it stares them in the face!
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Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Unseeing the Headshot
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2020, 05:21:53 AM »
As I said before, it is all fantasy and an illusion!   in 1 frame the tip of a glove turns into a full hand and the head is gone.   1/18 of a second for that little illusion to take place.
Just have to follow the motion to know that is invalid somehow and can't be explained away.  Just like cut and paste on Z337!