The First Shot

[John Corbett]

Typical bullets for handguns in 1963 were ordinary lead, especially for .38s.

Hollow points were rare to non-existent in 1963.

FMJ for more-powerful handguns did exist.

Do you just write things because they sound good to you? Hollow points and FMJ ammo has been available for handguns since the late 19th century.

Only lead was detected on the curb strike near Tague.

Which is consistent with it being struck by the lead core of a FMJ round after it had first struck something else. What that something was we are left to guess at.

Hard to see how FMJ's fired at the limo subsequently made a lead-only strike on the Tagee curb. I put very low odds, indeed vanishing, on that.

Your figuring is so screwed up that it has no connection to reality. It would require a wild miss for Tague to have been injured by a shot fired directly into the curb. It's also unlikely that the curb would only show a lead smear if it had been hit by a direct shot.

The second official investigation into the JFKA, the HSCA, concluded there had been a gunshot at the GK.

The second official investigation was FUBAR.

As a JFKA amateur-layman-hobbyist-buff, you are entitled to disagree.

Am I supposed to be grateful that you are permitting me to exercise my First Amendment protected rights. The First Amendment even protects your goofy opinions.

Respectfully, I put more weight on the HSCA's findings than yours. That was a serious investigation, by a lot of smart and skeptical guys, many professionals. 

You apparently have a much higher regard for the intelligence of members of Congress than I do.

Reasonable JFKA speculation is that a handgun, fired on the GK, could have send a lead slug towards Tague and the nearby curb.

There is nothing reasonable about that hypothesis. I suppose you could have come up with a nuttier conclusion, but it is hard to imagine how.

Does that explain the Tague shot? It is a reasonable explanation. No more, no less than that.

It is bat-Helicopter crazy.

No, the LNT'ers and CT'ers cannot prove their views.

Not on the Tague issue. On most issues, the LNs can prove their views. CTs, not so much.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Unfortunately, you (or some other knucklehead) have mislabeled Secret Service agent Glen Bennett as "Hickey" in this version of the Z-201 frame.

Why in the world did you do that?

-- Tom

PS George Hickey's washed-out image can be discerned behind (and slightly lower than) Clint Hill's (McIntyre is hidden behind Hill).

They are similarly situated in Z-150:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

Poor little tommy.

As with every single point you make regarding this issue you are wrong.
When you grow up you might think to question this unfortunate pattern.
Do yourself a favour and watch the Zapruder film some time. It's full of interesting information regarding the assassination of JFK.
If you do you will see Hickey look over the side of the limo and return to the position shown in the image below (the real clue is that the person you think is Bennett isn't in z150. Think about that).



The point being made with this image is that it is from z207. Believe it or not there are some idiots who believe that the first, extremely loud, shot was fired 4 - 5 seconds before this image was taken.
4 TO 5 SECONDS!!
Yet all three men are facing forward at z207.
The problem is that all three men reported immediately reacting to the first shot by looking to their right and rear:

Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "

Funnily enough, this is exactly what all three men are shown doing in Altgens 6 (equivalent to z255):



To anyone with a grain of intelligence this is really strong evidence that the first shot is after z207 and before z255.

[Tom Graves]

[...]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Those Secret Service guys in the follow-up car were so mixed up (from the chaos of the moment, lack of sleep and possible "Salty Dick" hangovers) that they confused the "firecracker"-sound at "Z-124" (which they didn't turn around after) with Oswald's second shot at approximately Z-222 (which they did turn around after).

LOL!

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Those Secret Service guys in the follow-up car were so mixed up (from the chaos of the moment, lack of sleep and possible "Salty Dick" hangovers) that they confused the "firecracker"-sound at "Z-124" (which they didn't turn around after) with Oswald's second shot at approximately Z-222 (which they did turn around after).

LOL!

-- Tom

I'm glad you put a "LOL" at the end of your post. Your opinions are a joke and it's good you recognise that.
That Landis, Ready and Hickey describe turning to their right and rear as a result of the first shot and that Altgens6 actually shows them doing exactly that...
....what's the point?
z207 shows no such reaction. They are all facing forward.
I'm glad you now accept you were completely wrong about Bennett in z207. When you grow up you might gain the courage to acknowledge such things.

Your campaign of disinformation regarding this issue is funny considering how its you whose always crying about others spreading disinformation.
Keep up the good work Comrade Jerkov 

[Andrew Mason]

To anyone with a grain of intelligence this is really strong evidence that the first shot is after z207 and before z255.

On what basis do you determine that the evidence of Phil Willis (that his z202 photo was just after the first shot) and of Linda Willis (that JFK was between her and the Stemmons sign when the first shot occurred) is wrong?

(and surely you meant before z225 rather than z255).

[Dan O'meara]

On what basis do you determine that the evidence of Phil Willis (that his z202 photo was just after the first shot) and of Linda Willis (that JFK was between her and the Stemmons sign when the first shot occurred) is wrong?

(and surely you meant before z225 rather than z255).

(and surely you meant before z225 rather than z255).

??
Read the post.
z207 shows the three agents not showing any sign of the reactions they described regarding the first shot.
Altgens 6 shows the three agents reacting exactly as they described reacting to the first shot.
Altgens 6 is taken at z255.

Phil Willis was a salesman who was cashing in on JFK's death. He'd taken some average pics which he copyrighted in order to sell them through the company he'd specifically set up to cash in on the assassination - Phil Willis Enterprises.
He had the pics made into slides and gave them really grandiose titles to enhance their importance (and, therefore, their monetary value). Some of the titles are so over the top they're funny.
The camera was still held up to his face as the first shot rang out. He'd missed this pivotal historical moment by a second. So, why not massage reality a bit and insist he had actually caught the moment on camera, inflating the value of his pic. An excellent salesman startegy.
Willis had an ulterior motive for insisting he caught the moment of the assassination.

44 eyewitnesses described JFK reacting to the first shot as we see in the Z-film - hands flying up towards his throat, slumping to the left etc.
As I have demonstrated to you on numerous occasions, an analysis of JFK's left arm in the Z-film shows us the moment he begins reacting to being shot (z225 is the first frame we see the beginning of this reaction).

[Dan O'meara]

There is another way to corroborate a first shot around z222/z223 thanks to the work of Pat Speer and Mark Tyler. It concerns the witness statements of the occupants of the Vice-Presidential car and the Vice-Presidential follow-up car. From these statements it is possible to glean an approximate position for each car at the time of the first shot and from these approximate positions it is possible rule out various theories regarding the first shot.
I will look at a number of theories put forward for when the first shot occurred in relation to the Z-Film:

z133 (and before)
z160
z190
z223 (my own proposal for the first shot)

First, a look at the statements:

VICE PRESIDENTIAL CAR

Hurchel Jacks [Driver] -
"My car had just straightened up from making the left turn. I was looking directly at the President’s car at that time. At that time I heard a shot ring out..."

Rufus Youngblood [Passenger Seat] -
"The motorcade then made a left turn, and the sidewalk crowds
were beginning to diminish in size. I observed a grassy plot to my right in back of a small crowd...I heard an explosion…"
"As we were beginning to go down this incline, all of a sudden there was an explosive noise."
"We had straightened on Elm now and were beginning to move easily down the incline in the wake of the cars ahead. Suddenly there was an explosive noise..."

Senator Yarborough [back left] - 
“as the motorcade went down the slope of Elm Street toward the railroad underpass, a rifle shot was heard by me; a loud blast..."

Lady Bird Johnson [back centre] - 
“we were rounding a curve, going down a hill and suddenly there was a sharp loud report..."
"...suddenly in that brilliant sunshine there was a sharp rifle shot. It  came, I thought, from over my right shoulder."

Lyndon Johnson [back right] - 
"After we had proceeded a short way down Elm Street, I heard a sharp report."

VICE-PRESIDENTIAL FOLLOW-UP CAR

Joe Henry Rich [Driver] -
“We turned off of Houston Street onto Elm Street and that was when I heard the first shot."


Cliff Carter [passenger seat]  - 
"...our car had just made the left hand turn onto Elm and was right along side of the Texas School Book Depository Building when I heard a noise which sounded like a firecracker."

Jerry Kivett [back right] - 
"As the motorcade was approximately 1/3 the way to the underpass, traveling between 10 and 15 miles per hour, I heard a loud noise..."

Warren Taylor [back centre] -
“Our automobile had just turned a corner (the names of the streets are unknown to me) when I heard a bang which sounded to me like a possible firecracker —the sound coming from my right rear."

Thomas (Lem) Johns [back right] - 
"We turned onto Elm Street...We were going downhill...which put the Texas Book Depository on our right, more or less...But we were going down this Elm Street, with my door open. I heard at least two shots.."

10 witnesses in 2 vehicles all corroborating each others statements. Not one or two ambiguous statements open to any kind of interpretation. Every single occupant of both cars are stating, basically, the same thing - at the time of the first shot these cars had turned off Houston Street and were travelling down Elm.
I now turn to the work of Mark Tyler to compare how these statements support or refute the various theories put forward.

Z133



In the image above the Vice-Presidential car is marked 7 and the follow-up car 8. It is obvious from this image that both vehicles are still on Houston at the time of this proposed first shot and, as such, a shot around z133 (or before) is absolutely refuted by the 10 witness statements.

Z160



Again, we can clearly see that, although car 7 is well into it's turn, car 8 is still on Houston. The theory of a first shot around z160 is refuted.

Z190



It can be said that car 7 is now travelling down Elm but car 8 is still to complete the turn as specified by the occupants of this car and, as such, a shot around z190 is refuted by the witness statements.

Z223



My own proposal.
It can be seen from the above image that both cars are now travelling on Elm after having completed the turn off Houston. There can be no doubt that this is the only theory that comes anywhere close to fitting the witness statements of the 10 occupants of these vehicles.
Yet further corroboration, if any were needed, that the first shot was the one that struck JFK in the throat around z223.