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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1736 on: Today at 12:55:02 AM »
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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

You really should self-publish a book.

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« Reply #1737 on: Today at 01:01:17 AM »
When one performs even a cursory review of the statements regarding the movements within the limousine at the time of the first shot, one finds that 44 of these [statements?] indicated Kennedy had a reaction to the first shot. Not one indicated he just sat there waving or looked around and resumed waving.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How many of these people remembered to mention that they'd heard a firecracker, or a backfire, or a tire blowout, or a [fill in the blank] shortly after the limo turned onto Elm Street?

Hmm?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1738 on: Today at 08:17:33 AM »
Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How many of these people remembered to mention that they'd heard a firecracker, or a backfire, or a tire blowout, or a [fill in the blank] shortly after the limo turned onto Elm Street?

Hmm?

-- Tom

Well, why don't you read through the list lil tommy and count them up yourself.
As usual, you've missed the point.
Speer has compiled a list of 44 witnesses who recall JFK reacting as we see in the Z-film - arms moving upwards, slumping to the left, straightening up etc.
He also points out that not a single witness recalls him carrying on waving and smiling after the first shot.
It's a list of 44 witnesses confirming that the first shot was the one that caused JFK to have the extreme reaction we see in the Z-film.

Look at the Tyler/Speer evidence a few posts back, look at the OP.
How much evidence can you ignore?
Don't you feel weird ignoring all this evidence?
What does it say about you as a researcher?

Online John Corbett

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1739 on: Today at 11:29:32 AM »
Well, why don't you read through the list lil tommy and count them up yourself.
As usual, you've missed the point.
Speer has compiled a list of 44 witnesses who recall JFK reacting as we see in the Z-film - arms moving upwards, slumping to the left, straightening up etc.
He also points out that not a single witness recalls him carrying on waving and smiling after the first shot.
It's a list of 44 witnesses confirming that the first shot was the one that caused JFK to have the extreme reaction we see in the Z-film.

Look at the Tyler/Speer evidence a few posts back, look at the OP.
How much evidence can you ignore?
Don't you feel weird ignoring all this evidence?
What does it say about you as a researcher?

That means there were 44 witnesses who did not recognize the first blast as a gunshot for various reasons.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1740 on: Today at 02:33:17 PM »
Well, why don't you read through the list lil tommy and count them up yourself.
As usual, you've missed the point.
Speer has compiled a list of 44 witnesses who recall JFK reacting as we see in the Z-film - arms moving upwards, slumping to the left, straightening up etc.
He also points out that not a single witness recalls him carrying on waving and smiling after the first shot.
It's a list of 44 witnesses confirming that the first shot was the one that caused JFK to have the extreme reaction we see in the Z-film.

Look at the Tyler/Speer evidence a few posts back, look at the OP.
How much evidence can you ignore?
Don't you feel weird ignoring all this evidence?
What does it say about you as a researcher?

  DAN - Yeah, "only" 44 witnesses, "who did not recognize the first blast as a gunshot for various reasons". There must have been something in the Texas water on 11/22/63 for "Only 44 witnesses" to ALL do this.  More Ed Forum  BS:

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1741 on: Today at 07:54:36 PM »
That means there were 44 witnesses who did not recognize the first blast as a gunshot for various reasons.

What a sh3t interpretation of witness testimony.
What a waste of everyone's time.
Why did you even bother with such a crass and childish post?

And this from the Nutter who bases his whole opinion about this issue on a single witness.
#hypocrisy
#stupidity
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1742 on: Today at 08:41:15 PM »
A seemingly innocuous detail from the testimony of Ronald Fischer gave me a potentially new insight into the mind of the assassin in the moments immediately before the assassination.
Other researchers have the assassin stood up, firing into the street below him, bullets ricocheting off traffic light poles or firing through the oak tree, blasting through branches of the tree and other such nonsense - as if the assassin hadn't already decided exactly what he was going to do beforehand and was instead just taking random potshots as the Presidential limo passed by the TSBD.

This is the relevant passage from Fischer's WC testimony:

"And I looked up and I watched the man for, oh, I'd say, 10 or 15 seconds. It was until the first car came around the corner of Houston and Main. And, then, when that car did come around the corner, I took my attention off of the man in the window and started watching the parade. The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn't watching-uh---he didn't look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Ell Street. And--uh--all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he never-he never moved anything. Just was there transfixed."

Fischer only looks away from the assassin because the motorcade has finally reached the end of Main Street.
In the 10-15 seconds he stares at this man, the assassin never looks to where the motorcade is coming into view. For that whole period of time the assassin stares in the direction of the triple underpass, he never moves his head, never moves his body, just stares towards the triple underpass - "transfixed".
What is it that the assassin is staring at?
Why does he seem uninterested in the motorcade?
What could possibly be of interest to the assassin down towards the triple underpass when his target, in the motorcade, is about to come into view in a matter of seconds?

In my opinion, it is the word "transfixed" that provides the key to understanding what is going on in the mind of the assassin.
He is visualising the kill zone.
He has already decided exactly where he is going to assassinate his target.
As he looks towards the triple underpass he is aware of the oak tree but is more focused on the stretch of open road just beyond the oak tree. He has already decided that once the limo has emerged from behind the oak tree and is out in the open, he will pull the trigger.
The first shot does not occur before the limo has reached the oak tree.
It does not occur while the limo is obscured by the oak tree.
It occurs when the limo has emerged from behind the oak tree and is out in the open stretch of road just beyond the oak tree.
The open stretch of road the assassin has been transfixed on as the motorcade reaches the end of Main Street.
In perfect agreement with the first shot at z222/223 I've been arguing for in the bulk of this thread



Above is the view from the SN window the assassin was staring at, "transfixed".
As far as the assassin is concerned there is only one feature of interest - the open stretch of road beyond the oak tree.
It is at this point the limo will be moving almost directly away from him, with minimal lateral movement.
It makes perfect sense that the assassin has already made up his mind regarding his plan of action.
The idea that he starts taking random potshots as the limo passes the TSBD won't fly. The idea that he is rushing so much he needs to fire through the oak tree won't fly.
Look at the picture above, if you were the assassin, when would you pull the trigger?



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