The First Shot

[Andrew Mason]

1) Point being?

The point is that he said he kept looking at JFK for the last two shots and did not turn to the rear in between them.

2) By "the last two shots," do you mean the ones at approximately Z-222 and Z-313?

No. I mean the last two shots.  There was only one shot before Altgens’ #6 according to Altgens, Hickey and another 45 witnesses who recalled the last two shots being close together.

3) How many shots do you think there were altogether, and which one, if any, missed?

It is not about what I think. It is about what the evidence says.  The evidence says that there were 3 shots and no shot missed. The first went through JFK’s neck after z186 and before z202. The last shot was at z312-313. The last two shots were closer together which means the second was a discernible time after the midpoint between 1 and 3.

[Tom Graves]

The point is that he said he kept looking at JFK for the last two shots and did not turn to the rear in between them.

As I told you earlier, George Hickey, like many others, was mistaken about what he had seen, heard, and/or done during the assassination.

Do you think he quickly leaned over the side of the car around Z-145 to barf or to pick up a piece of litter?

There was only one shot before Altgens-6 according to Altgens.

Wrong, again.

There were two shots before Altgens-6.

Oswald's missing-everything shot before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, and the "Single Bullet Shot" around Z-222.

The evidence says that there were three shots . . .

Correct.

. . . and that no shot missed.

Wrong.

The first went through JFK’s neck after Z-186 and before Z-202.

LOL!

Good one!

The last shot was at z312-313.

Correct.

The last two shots were closer together which means the second was a discernible time after the midpoint between 1 and 3.

As I said earlier, earwitnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially in an echo chamber like Dealey Plaza.

[Andrew Mason]

As I told you earlier, George Hickey, like many others, was mistaken about what he had seen, heard, and/or done during the assassination.

Do you think he quickly leaned over the side of the car around Z-145 to barf or to pick up a piece of litter?

Why are those the only two possibilities?  His job was to watch the crowd.  To see the crowd ahead he had to look out around the two agents on the running boards.

Wrong, again.

There were two shots before Altgens-6.

You are saying Altgens was wrong.  He was there. You weren’t.

[John Corbett]

Why are those the only two possibilities?  His job was to watch the crowd.  To see the crowd ahead he had to look out around the two agents on the running boards.

You are saying Altgens was wrong.  He was there. You weren’t.

A lot of people were there and they gave different versions of what happened and some of them have to be wrong because they can't all be right. You've never understood that.

[Tom Graves]

A lot of people were there in Dealey Plaza, and they gave different versions of what happened. Some of them have to be wrong because they can't all be right. You [Andrew Mason] have never understood that.

Good point!

(I corrected your typo for you.)

[Andrew Mason]

A lot of people were there and they gave different versions of what happened and some of them have to be wrong because they can't all be right. You've never understood that.

It is not just Altgens.  There were at least 47 witnesses who said the last two shots were close together and another 20 said the first shot was when JFK was farther down Elm Street than his position at z180 and another 25 said JFK visibly reacted to the first shot.  All corroborate Altgens.

[Tom Graves]

It is not just Altgens.  There were at least 47 witnesses who said the last two shots were close together and another 20 said the first shot was when JFK was farther down Elm Street than his position at z180 and another 25 said JFK visibly reacted to the first shot.  All corroborate Altgens.

JFK visibly reacted to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot by very quickly turning his head towards Jackie in Z-143 and then quickly turning it back to his right to look at and wave to the spectators.

Of course, he reacted a lot more noticeably when he leaned forward and to his left and "clutched at his throat" after he and then JBC were struck by CE-399 around Z-222.