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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1708 on: Today at 06:14:51 PM »
Bennett is looking [to his right] in Z-145, but he is not leaning [to his right] any discernible amount.

Bennett is starting to lean to his right in Z-145.

He's leaning out more in Z-150.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)

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If either Hickey or Bennett leans out, it is to look forward.

You're wrong about Hickey but right about Bennett.

Having heard the first shot,

1) George Hickey leans over the side of the car and looks down at the pavement, not "forward" at the limo or the approaching triple underpass, etc.

2) Glen Bennett leans to his right to view JFK around Dave Powers. While looking at JFK, he sees the second shot hit him in the back (lower neck, actually).


Regarding Hickey:

ME: Why did Hickey lean over and look down at the pavement before the second shot rang out?

Google AI: George Hickey leaned forward and looked toward the pavement because he believed a firecracker had exploded on the street right next to the car.

In his official Secret Service Report from November 30, 1963, Hickey explicitly detailed his physical reaction to that first loud noise:

"The noise seemed to me to come from a firecracker, and I thought to myself that the kids were playing with firecrackers again... It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level. I heard a report that sounded like a firecracker... I immediately stood up and looked and argued with myself that it was a firecracker."
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1709 on: Today at 06:33:35 PM »

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)

Rosemary Willis' head cannot be seen in z150 because she is behind Croft.  When she emerges by z160 her head/hood is turned to the right, which is in the general direction of the President's car.  I can't tell where her eyes are looking so I am surprised that you think you can.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1710 on: Today at 06:37:25 PM »
Rosemary Willis' head cannot be seen in z150 because she is behind Croft.  When she emerges by z160 her head/hood is turned to the right, which is in the general direction of the President's car.  I can't tell where her eyes are looking so I am surprised that you think you can.

We can tell by the rest of her body which direction she's facing.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1711 on: Today at 06:43:31 PM »
Rosemary Willis' head cannot be seen in z150 because she is behind Croft.  When she emerges by z160 her head/hood is turned to the right, which is in the general direction of the President's car.  I can't tell where her eyes are looking so I am surprised that you think you can.

Perhaps you missed the rest of the post.

Here it is, again, for you:


You: Bennett is looking [to his right] in Z-145, but he is not leaning [to his right] any discernible amount.

ME: Bennett is starting to lean to his right in Z-145.

He's leaning to his right even more in Z-150.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)


You: If either Hickey or Bennett leans out, it is to look forward.

ME: You're wrong about Hickey but right about Bennett.

Having heard the first shot,

1) George Hickey leans over the side of the car and looks down at the pavement, not "forward" at the limo or the approaching triple underpass, etc.

2) Glen Bennett leans to his right to view JFK around Dave Powers. While looking at JFK, he sees the second shot hit him in the back (lower neck, actually).


Regarding Hickey:


ME: Why did Hickey lean over and look down at the pavement before the second shot rang out?

Google AI: George Hickey leaned forward and looked toward the pavement because he believed a firecracker had exploded on the street right next to the car.

In his official Secret Service Report from November 30, 1963, Hickey explicitly detailed his physical reaction to that first loud noise:

The noise seemed to me to come from a firecracker, and I thought to myself that the kids were playing with firecrackers again... It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level. I heard a report that sounded like a firecracker... I immediately stood up and looked and argued with myself that it was a firecracker.

Because his brain processed the first gunshot as a ground-level firecracker prank rather than a rifle shot from above, his immediate reflex was to look down at the street surface to see where the firecracker had gone off.

. . . . . . .

My comments:

Note that Hickey doesn't say that he stood up and turned around and looked in the direction of the TSBD -- that came a few seconds later (and was famously captured in Altgens-6) after Oswald's second shot at approximately Z-222.

Also note that he said in his 11/22/63 report that the car he was in had travelled a "very short distance" down Elm Street when the aforementioned firecracker-like sound occurred.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1712 on: Today at 10:13:11 PM »

Regarding Hickey:


ME: Why did Hickey lean over and look down at the pavement before the second shot rang out?

Google AI: George Hickey leaned forward and looked toward the pavement because he believed a firecracker had exploded on the street right next to the car.

In his official Secret Service Report from November 30, 1963, Hickey explicitly detailed his physical reaction to that first loud noise:

The noise seemed to me to come from a firecracker, and I thought to myself that the kids were playing with firecrackers again... It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level. I heard a report that sounded like a firecracker... I immediately stood up and looked and argued with myself that it was a firecracker.
What is the cite for this?  This appears to be a made-up statement.  It bears no resemblance to the Nov. 30 or the Nov. 22, 1963 statements that Hickey made.

Hickey said he though the sound came from his right rear so he turned to the rear to try to locate the source. He was watching JFK during each of the last two shots. Read his statements in CE1024.  Here is part of his Nov. 30/63 statement:



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Because his brain processed the first gunshot as a ground-level firecracker prank rather than a rifle shot from above, his immediate reflex was to look down at the street surface to see where the firecracker had gone off.

. . . . . . .

My comments:

Note that Hickey doesn't say that he stood up and turned around and looked in the direction of the TSBD -- that came a few seconds later (and was famously captured in Altgens-6) after Oswald's second shot at approximately Z-222.

Also note that he said in his 11/22/63 report that the car he was in had travelled a "very short distance" down Elm Street when the aforementioned firecracker-like sound occurred.
I have no idea what you are basing your comments on. It is nothing that Hickey said in any of his statements.  Are you making this up? Or are you using AI?  In any event, you are basing your comments on falsified information.