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Online Jarrett Smith

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1673 on: July 13, 2026, 05:13:04 AM »
No, DPD Baker is just another witness in a large group of witnesses confirming that there never was an early missed shot. The eyewitnesses correlate where the first shot occurred by relating the limousines position to where they were standing. Motorcade 63 relates the first shot to Westbrook/ Calvery statements placing it between Z204 and Z212. The Chisms, Jean Newman, and Mary Woodward also place it in the same time frame.

The first shot was fired around Z157. Look at the photos below within a second both Connally and Jack Ready quickly turn their heads to the right.





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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1674 on: July 13, 2026, 05:33:22 AM »
The first shot was fired around Z157. Look at the photos below within a second both Connally and Jack Ready quickly turn their heads to the right.




And if that was the only place they turned their heads and a rifle shot was the only reason offered for turning their heads, and if it were not for the 25 or so witnesses who said that JFK visibly reacted to the first shot, and if there weren’t another 20 witnesses who put it much later, that might be worth considering.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1675 on: July 13, 2026, 05:58:08 AM »
And if that was the only place they turned their heads and a rifle shot was the only reason offered for turning their heads, and if it were not for the 25 or so witnesses who said that JFK visibly reacted to the first shot, and if there weren’t another 20 witnesses who put it much later, that might be worth considering.

Connally was an experienced hunter and knew it was a rifle report. How could Oswald fire three shots between Z223-Z312?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1676 on: July 13, 2026, 06:45:46 AM »
Connally was an experienced hunter and knew it was a rifle report. How could Oswald fire three shots between Z223-Z312?
JFK was clear of the tree well before z207 and he was visible as he passed under the tree. He was visible before he had reached the Thornton sign which puts it before z200:



A first shot at z190 and a last shot at z312 leaves 6.67 seconds.  More than enough time to load aim fire, load aim fire.

Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1677 on: July 13, 2026, 07:44:16 AM »
The first shot was fired around Z157. Look at the photos below within a second both Connally and Jack Ready quickly turn their heads to the right.





Starting at Z-150, Connally, who had been looking at the spectators on the grass to his right, quickly and consciously (i.e., not as a startle reaction) turned his head to his left. That's why he appears to be looking almost straight ahead in the famous Croft photo which was taken at Z-160 (iirc).

Jack Ready had also turned his head to his left about the same time.
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Online John Corbett

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1678 on: July 13, 2026, 12:07:14 PM »
JFK was clear of the tree well before z207 and he was visible as he passed under the tree. He was visible before he had reached the Thornton sign which puts it before z200:



A first shot at z190 and a last shot at z312 leaves 6.67 seconds.  More than enough time to load aim fire, load aim fire.

Your FUBAR scenario with JBC struck at Z270 leaves only 43 frames, or 2.35 seconds, between the second and third shots. That's the bare minimum time the FBI determined the Carcano required to fire two aim shots. That is a theoretical time only. It's ridiculous to think Oswald would have been trying to fire his weapon that fast. Accuracy was far more important than speed. Why would Oswald even try to fire that rapidly and why should we believe using the bare minimum time to fire his weapon he could have delivered such a deadly accurate shot. The reality is Oswald took 4.9 seconds to aim and fire the third shot.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1679 on: July 13, 2026, 02:05:44 PM »
Your FUBAR scenario with JBC struck at Z270 leaves only 43 frames, or 2.35 seconds, between the second and third shots. That's the bare minimum time the FBI determined the Carcano required to fire two aim shots. That is a theoretical time only.
Not theoretical.  That is exactly what witnesses said occurred: “ 'just about as fast as you could expect a man to operate a bolt action rifle” (Emmett Hudson). Most witnesses described the last two shots as being in rapid succession and several estimated the time between them to be no more than two seconds.
You prefer your reasoning. But your reasoning is not evidence.  I prefer to base conclusions on evidence. Courts do too.

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It's ridiculous to think Oswald would have been trying to fire his weapon that fast. Accuracy was far more important than speed. Why would Oswald even try to fire that rapidly and why should we believe using the bare minimum time to fire his weapon he could have delivered such a deadly accurate shot. The reality is Oswald took 4.9 seconds to aim and fire the third shot.
I would suggest it is ridiculous to suggest that your reasoning should supplant the evidence of 45+ witnesses who described the last two as being in rapid succession, real quick, etc.  Besides, reasoning could also work the other way: it makes sense that he would want to get the last shots off quickly as the car was getting farther away.