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Online Ted Sager

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1638 on: July 05, 2026, 01:53:23 PM »
So you think O shooting from 90 feet in the air downward at a 60 or 70 degree angle made a wound through K at an upward angle??? REALLY? A one inch long slug penetrates skin the turns upward to exit K's throat above the entrance wound. Like to see that happen in a test.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1639 on: July 05, 2026, 02:06:38 PM »
So you think O shooting from 90 feet in the air downward at a 60 or 70 degree angle made a wound through K at an upward angle??? REALLY? A one inch long slug penetrates skin the turns upward to exit K's throat above the entrance wound. Like to see that happen in a test.

The back wound was above the exit wound in the throat. Profile views of JFK on the autopsy table and from the re-enactment conducted by the Secret Service clearly show that to be true.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1640 on: Yesterday at 11:48:47 PM »
Landis, Ready and Hickey all report that their reaction to the first shot was to look to the right and rear:


Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically         
             looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to               
             determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "

They reacted to the first shot by looking in the direction the shot came from - the right and rear of their position. This is exactly what we see in Altgens 6:



In the Z-film we see these agents until z207.
At no point do we see any of these agents turning to their right and rear.
At no point do we see any of these agents reacting as they said they did. That is a fact. Any suggestions otherwise are simply not true. Ready may have changed his hand position but at no point does he make any attempt to look to his right and rear. There is not the slightest suggestion he does so. Just as there is no suggestion Landis or Hickey make such a turn.

The earliest record of these agents reacting as they said they did, is Altgens 6 (z255)
To imagine they waited for 7 seconds before turning to their right and rear is genuinely laughable.
Even to imagine they waited a full second is highly unlikely.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1641 on: Today at 12:21:32 AM »
Landis, Ready and Hickey all report that their reaction to the first shot was to look to the right and rear:


Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically         
             looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to               
             determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "

They reacted to the first shot by looking in the direction the shot came from - the right and rear of their position. This is exactly what we see in Altgens 6:



In the Z-film we see these agents until z207.
At no point do we see any of these agents turning to their right and rear.
At no point do we see any of these agents reacting as they said they did. That is a fact. Any suggestions otherwise are simply not true. Ready may have changed his hand position but at no point does he make any attempt to look to his right and rear. There is not the slightest suggestion he does so. Just as there is no suggestion Landis or Hickey make such a turn.

The earliest record of these agents reacting as they said they did, is Altgens 6 (z255)
To imagine they waited for 7 seconds before turning to their right and rear is genuinely laughable.
Even to imagine they waited a full second is highly unlikely.

The way to make sense of this is to realize some of the agents either didn't hear or didn't recognize the first shot as a gun shot. I continue to believe that four motorcycles would create enough of a roar to partially muffle the sound of the first muzzle blast. JBC who wasn't as close to the motorcycles did recognize the first blast as the sound of a high powered rifle and we see him react to that first sound. The agents we see turning to the rear in Altgens 6 are reacting to the second shot, not the first.