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Online Ted Sager

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1638 on: July 05, 2026, 01:53:23 PM »
So you think O shooting from 90 feet in the air downward at a 60 or 70 degree angle made a wound through K at an upward angle??? REALLY? A one inch long slug penetrates skin the turns upward to exit K's throat above the entrance wound. Like to see that happen in a test.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1639 on: July 05, 2026, 02:06:38 PM »
So you think O shooting from 90 feet in the air downward at a 60 or 70 degree angle made a wound through K at an upward angle??? REALLY? A one inch long slug penetrates skin the turns upward to exit K's throat above the entrance wound. Like to see that happen in a test.

The back wound was above the exit wound in the throat. Profile views of JFK on the autopsy table and from the re-enactment conducted by the Secret Service clearly show that to be true.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1640 on: July 07, 2026, 11:48:47 PM »
Landis, Ready and Hickey all report that their reaction to the first shot was to look to the right and rear:


Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically         
             looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to               
             determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "

They reacted to the first shot by looking in the direction the shot came from - the right and rear of their position. This is exactly what we see in Altgens 6:



In the Z-film we see these agents until z207.
At no point do we see any of these agents turning to their right and rear.
At no point do we see any of these agents reacting as they said they did. That is a fact. Any suggestions otherwise are simply not true. Ready may have changed his hand position but at no point does he make any attempt to look to his right and rear. There is not the slightest suggestion he does so. Just as there is no suggestion Landis or Hickey make such a turn.

The earliest record of these agents reacting as they said they did, is Altgens 6 (z255)
To imagine they waited for 7 seconds before turning to their right and rear is genuinely laughable.
Even to imagine they waited a full second is highly unlikely.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1641 on: Yesterday at 12:21:32 AM »
Landis, Ready and Hickey all report that their reaction to the first shot was to look to the right and rear:


Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically         
             looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to               
             determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "

They reacted to the first shot by looking in the direction the shot came from - the right and rear of their position. This is exactly what we see in Altgens 6:



In the Z-film we see these agents until z207.
At no point do we see any of these agents turning to their right and rear.
At no point do we see any of these agents reacting as they said they did. That is a fact. Any suggestions otherwise are simply not true. Ready may have changed his hand position but at no point does he make any attempt to look to his right and rear. There is not the slightest suggestion he does so. Just as there is no suggestion Landis or Hickey make such a turn.

The earliest record of these agents reacting as they said they did, is Altgens 6 (z255)
To imagine they waited for 7 seconds before turning to their right and rear is genuinely laughable.
Even to imagine they waited a full second is highly unlikely.

The way to make sense of this is to realize some of the agents either didn't hear or didn't recognize the first shot as a gun shot. I continue to believe that four motorcycles would create enough of a roar to partially muffle the sound of the first muzzle blast. JBC who wasn't as close to the motorcycles did recognize the first blast as the sound of a high powered rifle and we see him react to that first sound. The agents we see turning to the rear in Altgens 6 are reacting to the second shot, not the first.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1642 on: Yesterday at 09:37:32 PM »
I think if JFK had been hit at Z190, that at least ONE of those SS agents should have seen JFK move at least a little bit and the SS agents would probably have reacted by Z207. So the Z190 1st shot theory is improbable. There would be some indication in the Z -film at Z190-Z207 that JFK is reacting to a bullet passing thru his back and his throat. The only possibility is a 1.5 sec delayed reaction. Unfortunately that idea seems to have been refuted by a source posted by Dan O. indicating the involuntary nervous system reaction of the human body to being struck by a bullet is less than 0.5 sec. IDK if this is a universal phenomenon that applies in all cases of humans who have been struck by a bullet. However, when added with shooting thru foliage and lack of reaction by SS agents , the Z190 1st shot theory seems improbable. Probably only  Hawaii 5-0 Steve McGarret 
could rescue this theory and it probably would involve finding out if that Chinese Commie Wo Fat used some kind of different bullet.  :D


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1643 on: Yesterday at 10:11:40 PM »
I think if JFK had been hit at Z190, that at least ONE of those SS agents should have seen JFK move at least a little bit and the SS agents would probably have reacted by Z207. So the Z190 1st shot theory is improbable. There would be some indication in the Z -film at Z190-Z207 that JFK is reacting to a bullet passing thru his back and his throat. The only possibility is a 1.5 sec delayed reaction. Unfortunately that idea seems to have been refuted by a source posted by Dan O. indicating the involuntary nervous system reaction of the human body to being struck by a bullet is less than 0.5 sec. IDK if this is a universal phenomenon that applies in all cases of humans who have been struck by a bullet. However, when added with shooting thru foliage and lack of reaction by SS agents , the Z190 1st shot theory seems improbable. Probably only  Hawaii 5-0 Steve McGarret 
could rescue this theory and it probably would involve finding out if that Chinese Commie Wo Fat used some kind of different bullet.  :D

The first indication of a bullet strike inside the limo is the bulging of JBC's jacket at Z224. JFK would have been hit by that frame but since he is still hidden except for the left side of his torso and his right arm which is being lowered after waving to the crowd on the right. The right arm is still moving down at Z225 although a blurry enlargement of that frame indicates a distressed expression on JFK's face and JBC's right shoulder dips noticeably. The next frame both JFK and JBC suddenly and rapidly flip their arms upward. JFK is raising both hands up in front of his throat while JBC's right arm with his Stetson in his right hand starts to rise. JBC's rapid up and down arm movement lasts 9 frames, a half second, after which he dips to his right and doubles over. JFK after bringing his hands up to his throat then lowers his elbows and leans over to his left. It all fits. I don't know how any objective person could look at that sequence and dispute that BOTH men had been struck immediately before that began,  about Z222.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1644 on: Yesterday at 10:32:56 PM »
John Lattimer's "bulging jacket tests": https://dn710700.ca.archive.org/0/items/nsia-LattimerJohnKDr/nsia-LattimerJohnKDr/Lattimer%20John%20K%20Dr%20109.pdf



And equally important test #2. If the bullet going through Connally was NOT tumbling when it hit him it wouldn't create a jacket bulge. This is because the resulting wound would have been smaller; there would less fragmentation of the ribs that contributed to the bulging. The bulging was not caused solely by the bullet exiting the chest; it was the bullet and the rib fragments exiting Connally's chest that caused it.