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« Reply #1304 on: November 16, 2025, 07:32:27 PM »
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  Kellerman said in his WC Testimony that a "flurry" of shots came into the car. I take this to mean MORE than 4 shots.

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« Reply #1305 on: November 16, 2025, 11:39:45 PM »
If you are going to buy into a "Theory", you probably need to know the details of said "theory". I continue urging you to expand your foundational knowledge of the JFK assassination. In construction, the general philosophy is that the broader the base, the taller the structure. You currently reside in a one-story ramshackle line shack. Instead of doing some actual research, you request that I supply you with the details. As my dad used to tell me whenever I got lazy, "I'll work With You. I will Not work For You." This is the "work ethic" that resulted in my discovering the "getaway car". Get off of your duff and do your own JFK assassination research. Broaden your base.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1306 on: November 17, 2025, 12:04:16 AM »
Kellerman said in his WC Testimony that a "flurry" of shots came into the car. I take this to mean MORE than 4 shots.

Dear Comrade Storing,

The "flurry" Kellerman was referring to was a combination of the Z-222 / Z-224 shot and the results of the Z-313 head shot -- fragments striking the chrome strip and the windshield.

D'oh!

Rhetorical question:

In which Z-frame before Z-224 did Kellerman quickly start leaning forward and looking down and behind him?

Answer: Z-148; 1.31 seconds after Oswald's missing-everything shot at "Z-124" and within 1/4 of a second of JFK's, Jackie's, JBC's, Nellie's, George Hickey's and Rosemary Willis' conscious and fast-moving reactions to the sounds of the same missing-everything shot.

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« Reply #1307 on: November 17, 2025, 02:52:57 PM »

   The ASAIC Kellerman knows what a "flurry" means. He's Not talking about shrapnel or bone matter clanging around. They were under intense fire and he was pinned down in that front seat due to the large chrome strip stretching directly behind him from one side of the car to the other. It's hard to figure how they upgraded the JFK Limo with that heavy metal chrome brace limiting the front seated SS Agents. I could see that strip making the cut if it was then mandatory to have SS Agents standing on the JFK Limo running boards when the top was off of the car. Other than that, there is no way this heavy metal chrome strip makes it off of the sketch board.   

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« Reply #1308 on: November 17, 2025, 04:59:52 PM »
Let's quote Kellerman. Here he is on the "flurry of shells":

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.

I would think that a bullet fragment hitting the chrome over the windshield and another fragment hitting the windshield would sound like a "flurry" of shots/shells. Plus, as he later said he was splattered with blood from the wound to JFK's head. Which wouldn't have happened if the wound blew out the back of JFK's head and not the top/right. But that's another story.

In any case, he says the "flurry of shells" was "two."

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm
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« Reply #1309 on: November 17, 2025, 05:28:14 PM »
Let's quote Kellerman. Here he is on the "flurry of shells":

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.

I would think that a bullet fragment hitting the chrome over the windshield and another fragment hitting the windshield would sound like a "flurry" of shots/shells. Plus, as he later said he was splattered with blood from the wound to JFK's head. Which wouldn't have happened if the wound blew out the back of JFK's head and not the top/right. But that's another story.

In any case, he says the "flurry of shells" was "two."

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

    Please carefully read the testimony that YOU posted above. Kellerman was asked "...how many you HEARD". ASAIC Kellerman describing a "flurry" of shells coming into the JFK Limo is NOT the same as HEARING shots being fired. This is a slick lawyer's trick that you have fallen for.  "Juror is dismissed".

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1310 on: November 17, 2025, 06:22:46 PM »
As seen in the extant Zapruder film, the first shot was fired at Z145-155.

The first hit was fired at Z186-190.

Regarding the first shot evident in the Zapruder film:

• There is a noticeable blur episode at around Z158.

• Connally starts to turn his head rapidly to the right at Z162.

• Several witnesses said the first shot was fired during the limo's turn onto Elm Street or just after it completed the turn.

• A 10-year-old girl named Rosemary Willis, running along the grass to the left of the limousine, begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. When she was an adult, Ms. Willis explained that she stopped running because she heard a loud noise behind her.

Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view

Those who are chained down by the lone-gunman theory can only offer lame, vacuous explanations for the obvious shot reactions that refute their three-shots-only scenario.




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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1311 on: November 17, 2025, 06:42:41 PM »
Let's quote Kellerman. Here he is on the "flurry of shells":

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.

I would think that a bullet fragment hitting the chrome over the windshield and another fragment hitting the windshield would sound like a "flurry" of shots/shells. Plus, as he later said he was splattered with blood from the wound to JFK's head. Which wouldn't have happened if the wound blew out the back of JFK's head and not the top/right. But that's another story.

In any case, he says the "flurry of shells" was "two."

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

That's true, but then we have another area of spray towards the rear and left.

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« Reply #1311 on: November 17, 2025, 06:42:41 PM »