Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

That is a complete lie.

No it isn't

President Trump "admitted" no such thing.

He never said he didn't owe it and instead tried to play down the 400 million as if it was insignificant. You don't do that if you don't owe the money!

In fact he denied that he owed any money to Russia

Who said he owed money to Russia? Trump said he didn't owe money to Russia, when nobody asked him. That tells me that he probably does owe Russia money.

As President, he is required to provide substantial financial disclosures. 

Yeah so he claims. But he never disclosed anything. We are waiting four years already for his tax returns....

None of which suggests anything illegal or a national security risk in his financial dealings.

As he doesn't disclose any financial information, you have no way of knowing if this is true. You're just saying it without a shred of evidence.

Even if it were true that he "owes" a lot of money in "loans," as Trump explained, he has enormous assets to cover those debts

it is not the amount of debt but the debt to equity ratio that determines whether a business is over extended.

True. But nobody knows just how many debts Trump really has. The 400 million is only the figure of the part of his debt that he will have to repay next year. The true number of debt may well be very much higher.... Let's wait and see what comes out of the Deutsche Bank investigation.....


The value of those assets have been questioned for many years now and nobody really knows just how deep he is under water. And covering a debt with assets is only relevant if he has no or not enough cash flow to repay the debt and has to liquidate the assets.

As to the Hunter Biden nothing burger;

When you go around making up one fake "scandal" after another (Benghazi, Clinton's emails, Obamagate, the unmasking fiasco, Durham's Russian investigation, the Fake News crap etc) and you call everybody who disagrees with you corrupt, at some point nobody is going to take anything you say seriously.

To summarize this rant: the following was a blatant lie "Yeah... admitting that he does owe foreign banks over 400 million dollars in loans that become due next year".  Trump never "admitted" that he owed $400 million to foreign banks and EVEN if he does it doesn't mean a thing standing alone because it is not his debt that matters but how it is leveraged.  If an unemployed loser who spends his every waking moment on an Internet forum, for example, owed $400 million it would be trouble.  If, however, someone with Trump's assets owes that much, it is no problem as he has sufficient assets to cover it many times over.  The relevant question is whether any of his debt is illegal or creates a security risk.  And we know it does not because by law the President is required to file financial disclosures that are reviewed for such things.  And even in the anti-Trump media and deep state there has been no allegation of any wrong doing based on these disclosures. 

[John Tonkovich]

"Dirty" Joe campaign events yesterday - none.

Yup. Biden should have held a large rally, packed shoulder to shoulder with mostly maskless attendees, in a state with a 20% infection rate.
Stable genius!

[Martin Weidmann]

To summarize this rant: the following was a blatant lie "Yeah... admitting that he does owe foreign banks over 400 million dollars in loans that become due next year".  Trump never "admitted" that he owed $400 million to foreign banks and EVEN if he does it doesn't mean a thing standing alone because it is not his debt that matters but how it is leveraged.  If an unemployed loser who spends his every waking moment on an Internet forum, for example, owed $400 million it would be trouble.  If, however, someone with Trump's assets owes that much, it is no problem as he has sufficient assets to cover it many times over.  The relevant question is whether any of his debt is illegal or creates a security risk.  And we know it does not because by law the President is required to file financial disclosures that are reviewed for such things.  And even in the anti-Trump media and deep state there has been no allegation of any wrong doing based on these disclosures.

You clearly don't know what the meaning of the word "summarize" is.

[Richard Smith]

It is painful to watch just how little traction Rudy Giuliani's last minute hail mary effort smearing Hunter and Joe Biden is getting outside the usual Trump bubble.

The right wing NY Post and Fox News seem to be the only two outlets who are talking about this laptop fairytale, but nobody else is paying much attention to it. It might even be true, but still nobody cares. Giuliani has overplayed his hand on the Ukraine issue for a long time and now has no credibility left.

It doesn't help much that the story itself is just as pathetic as Giuliani's attempt to smear the Bidens. So, let's examine the story;

First you have to believe that Hunter Biden, with his father in the race for President, would be stupid enough to bring a laptop full with damaging materials to an obscure computer repair shop and then not pick it up after it was repaired. That, by itself, casts serious doubt on the story, but it gets worse. The repair shop owner, who is nearly blind, is unable to identify Hunter Biden as the man who dropped of the laptop and provided the information for the receipt. This man than somehow looks at the content of the laptop and he allegedly gets so concerned that he calls the FBI. The Agency reponds and collects the laptop, but not before the shop owner makes copies of the hard drives. The repair man then waits for some reply from the FBI, which he never gets, simply because that's not the way it works. When the FBI investigates something they don't call you back to tell you the results of that investigation. But this is where it gets interesting.... Apparently the repair man decides to offer the copied hard drives to others, but nobody is interested, so he somehow ends up with Rudy Giuliani's lawyer. He, presumably, pays of the repair man and passes the hard drives to Rudy Giuliani. This is somewhere in mid july 2020.

So, what does Giuliani do with the material? After all, this is the evidence he has been looking for, right? The smoking gun that will show everybody that what he has been saying for months is all true..... Does he give it to law enforcement, to his buddy Bill Barr or the Senate's judiciary committee? No, he sits on it and waits until 20 days before the election and then makes a deal and gives hard copies of some documents to the right wing newspaper the New York Post who instantly publishes the material. I wonder how much they paid Giuliani....

Giuliani claims that, before he gave the material to the NY Post, he authenticated the material, but he fails to provide any evidence for that claim. The meta data that must be on the copied hard drives could provide information about the true origin of the emails, but Giuliani doesn't release that material. Instead he wants us to believe him on his word....

Is there anything straight forward or even remotely normal about this story? I don't think so.... yet Giuliani wonders why nobody believes him... Go figure

This can all be easily cleared up.  Hunter or Old Joe can just confirm it is a fake and not Hunter's computer.  That seems easy enough. Or the FBI, which has apparently had this computer for a long while, can confirm it is all faked.  Both campaigns and the American public deserve an answer before the election.  If this is a fake, then the Biden campaign deserves to have that confirmed.  If it is authentic, then the American public needs to know that Old Joe and Hunter are on the payroll of China and many other countries.  And imagine the "plan" for faking this.  The Russians leave a computer at some random shop and HOPE the proprietor discovers the information and turns it over to the authorities.  Or he is a Russian asset aiding them.  LOL.   Why do that instead of just revealing them via Wikileaks.  How about this though?  If you think the information is faked, the information it contains is obviously designed to disqualify Old Joe from running.  So if the information on this computer turns out to be authentic, then logically you agree it disqualifies him from running.  Right?  You can't have it both ways.

[Richard Smith]

You clearly don't know what the meaning of the word "summarize" is.

Be honest for once.  President Trump never "admitted" that he owed $400 million to foreign banks as you stated.  That was a lie. 

[Richard Smith]

Yup. Biden should have held a large rally, packed shoulder to shoulder with mostly maskless attendees, in a state with a 20% infection rate.
Stable genius!

Let's try again - Old Joe had no events.  None.  Zero.  Just a couple weeks before the election.  It is incredible. He doesn't have to have a mass rally.  At least he could stand in his driveway and answer a few questions. Like whether Russians have fabricated a computer that indicates he is receiving millions from China.  Just clear that one up.  It is astounding.  Everyone should be concerned that a presidential candidate is hiding.   

[Martin Weidmann]

This can all be easily cleared up.  Hunter or Old Joe can just confirm it is a fake and not Hunter's computer.  That seems easy enough. Or the FBI, which has apparently had this computer for a long while, can confirm it is all faked.  Both campaigns and the American public deserve an answer before the election.  If this is a fake, then the Biden campaign deserves to have that confirmed.  If it is authentic, then the American public needs to know that Old Joe and Hunter are on the payroll of China and many other countries.  And imagine the "plan" for faking this.  The Russians leave a computer at some random shop and HOPE the proprietor discovers the information and turns it over to the authorities.  Or he is a Russian asset aiding them.  LOL.   Why do that instead of just revealing them via Wikileaks.  How about this though?  If you think the information is faked, the information it contains is obviously designed to disqualify Old Joe from running.  So if the information on this computer turns out to be authentic, then logically you agree it disqualifies him from running.  Right?  You can't have it both ways.

This can all be easily cleared up.  Hunter or Old Joe can just confirm it is a fake and not Hunter's computer.  That seems easy enough.

And play Giuliani's and Bannon's game? That's not the way it works... You can not make up stuff and then expect the other person to prove it's fake. This is the same crap you constantly try to pull in the JFK case.

Or the FBI, which has apparently had this computer for a long while, can confirm it is all faked

Just like the Tax Office doesn't comment, one way or the other, on Trump's four year old claim that he is being audited, the FBI also doesn't comment on (ongoing) investigations and their results. But, according to Giuliani, they apparently do indeed have the original hard drives and thus the meta data... Their lack of action indicates that they probably already know the whole thing is bogus!

Both campaigns and the American public deserve an answer before the election.

Just like the American people deserve an answer before the election about Trump tax returns, the money he owes and what he intends to do after taking away healthcare insurance during a pandemic, but I doubt we will get those answers anytime soon.

But in this case, it's rally easy... Have Giuliani provide the meta data on the hard drive. So far all he has done is talk and make allegations with no authenticated evidence anywhere in sight. Trump was advised over a year ago that Giuliani may be the victim of a Russian misinformation scheme and he did nothing about. That alone makes the entire story lack credibility. There can not be any other logical reason why Giuliani does not provide the meta data but that it doesn't support his claims!

And imagine the "plan" for faking this.  The Russians leave a computer at some random shop and HOPE the proprietor discovers the information and turns it over to the authorities.  Or he is a Russian asset aiding them.

I seriously doubt the shop was randomly chosen. Again you are not thinking clearly. For Giuliani and/or Bannon to publish the alledged content of the laptop they needed a cover story on how they got it in the first place. Not that it helped them much! The MSM instantly understood what was going on and even Giuliani's own daughter doesn't believe him! 

If you think the information is faked, the information it contains is obviously designed to disqualify Old Joe from running.  So if the information on this computer turns out to be authentic, then logically you agree it disqualifies him from running.  Right?  You can't have it both ways.

Typical narrow minded "Richard Smith" BS. The information is of course designed to harm Joe Biden, but that does not mean it automatically does harm him or disqualify him from running, even if the information is authentic. It allegedly is Hunter Biden's laptop and the only thing I have seen so far that even remotely comes close to his father is an "email" in which allegedly a Burisma director thanks Hunter for an opportunity to meet his father, without any kind of corroboration that any such a meeting ever took place.

Yesterday I watched a pathetic interview of Steve Bannon, on Australian Sky TV and he claims that all sorts of people had confirmed that emails on the laptop were indeed either send or received by them, but again not a shred of conclusive evidence! Just one more indication that this is all about politics and perceptions....