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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1331 on: August 11, 2020, 12:47:01 AM »
Wow. Now there is even talk of adding Trump to Mt. Rushmore!  When will this winning end?  Trump's greatness is almost unfair.  Imagine Old Joe selling a platform of open borders, higher taxes, free education, health care and legal services for illegals, no deportations even of murderers, anarchy, chaos, arresting people for trying to go to church or work but allowing riots, looting, buying booze and abortions.  That sounds like a great plan from an octogenarian with two brain operations who can't recognize his own wife.

Benedict Donald's dementia ridden brain won't allow him to talk without slurring and mispronouncing easy words he should know. He is not okay. #TrumpIsNotWell


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1332 on: August 11, 2020, 02:05:57 AM »
An administration that has nearly completed it's first term in office is still blaming everything that's going wrong (which is a lot) on the previous administration and the Democrats, despite the fact that the current administration controls the White House and the Senate....

How pathetic is that?

Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1333 on: August 11, 2020, 03:41:07 AM »
And they think Biden has lost it??

Trump Claims ‘1917’ Pandemic Ended World War II—Which Began in 1939
Madeline Charbonneau

President Donald Trump suggested Monday evening that the “1917” influenza pandemic ended World War II, wrongly citing both the year that the pandemic occurred and the year that World War II ended. “The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing where they lost anywhere from 50 to 100 million people,” Trump said. “Probably ended the second World War, all the soldiers were sick.” World War II actually ended in 1945, while the flu pandemic swept the globe between 1918 and 1920, infecting hundreds of millions of people. The president’s comment came as he was praising his administration’s efforts in controlling the coronavirus and shutting down travel. Before his comments about World War II, Trump claimed that if the U.S. had not shut its borders to foreign travelers, “we would have had one and a half or two million people already dead,” and claimed that we have a firm understanding of how the novel coronavirus functions.

Cannot make this crap up! He needs a vacation at Yo-Sem-Ite Park!


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1334 on: August 11, 2020, 07:21:57 AM »
We already know you hate America and enjoy seeing the country going to bits at the hands of the moron in the White House. No need to keep on showing it over and over again....

Btw, are you really such a little man as your name suggests?

You don't need to get mad. The name-calling continues. You have a lot of anger to deal with. So so sad!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1335 on: August 11, 2020, 07:38:29 AM »
You don't need to get mad. The name-calling continues. You have a lot of anger to deal with. So so sad!

Why do you think I am mad? A moment mad is a moment truly wasted.
Besides, I could never get mad at somebody with a mental disability.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1336 on: August 11, 2020, 02:08:13 PM »


U.S. Intelligence Says Republicans Are Working With Russia to Reelect Trump
By Jonathan Chait

Two weeks ago, William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center, published a somewhat vague warning about various forms of foreign interference in the upcoming election. On Friday, he followed up with a more direct and incriminating one, specifically warning that Russia is working to help reelect Donald Trump. Even more important is what this warning unmistakably implies: that Trump and his Republican allies in Congress are actively cooperating with Russia’s campaign.

Trump obviously tends to respond with rage at the suggestion that Russia wants him to win, let alone that he is accepting the assistance. So Evanina’s summary delicately surrounds the revelations about Trump and Moscow with superficially balancing material. The report highlights three countries that want to influence the election: Russia, China, and Iran. The report notes that the latter two want Trump to lose, while Russia wants him to win.


This seems intended to let Republicans claim that there is foreign interference on both sides. And it’s true, as far as it goes.

But the comparisons end there. What is China doing to defeat Trump? Its government has “grown increasingly critical of the current Administration’s COVID-19 response, closure of China’s Houston Consulate, and actions on other issues.” And Iran’s efforts “probably will focus on on-line influence, such as spreading disinformation on social media and recirculating anti-U.S. content.”

In others words, Iran and China are undermining Trump by criticizing him in public remarks, possibly including some mean tweets.

Russia’s efforts to help Trump include all that. In addition, the statement notes, “pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption — including through publicizing leaked phone calls — to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party.”

Derkach and his Russian allies despise Biden, who spearheaded the administration’s efforts to reform Ukraine, rein in its oligarchs, and diminish Russian influence. They have attempted to depict Biden’s reform efforts as a corrupt plot to enrich his son Hunter.

Derkach has been working openly with Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. None of this is a secret. Here are the two of them meeting in Kiev in December:


Giuliani told the Washington Post earlier this summer that Derkach “doesn’t seem pro-Russian to me.” In case that ruse was fooling anybody, U.S. intelligence has now officially described Derkach as an organ of Russian political interference.

Meanwhile, Senate Republicans on the Homeland Security Committee are holding hearings in an attempt to substantiate this charge — or, more realistically, to insinuate it. They have produced no evidence to advance their charge. The Russians have given Republicans stolen tapes of secret conversations Biden held with Ukrainians during his tenure as vice-president, and pro-Trump media outlets have hyped up the material, but nothing they have is inconsistent with the narrative that mainstream news organizations found. Biden was working to clean up Ukraine.


Senate Republicans tried to be cagey about their activities. After pro-Russian Ukrainians said they’d passed materials on to Republican officials, a Johnson staffer told NBC News in July that it was “‘false’ the committee has received any ‘oppo,’ or opposition research, without responding directly to whether that covers any materials from foreign sources.”

The Washington Post reported that Homeland Security Committee chairman Ron Johnson received secret documents from Ukrainians. And former Giuliani associate Lev Parnas has confessed to putting Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee and perhaps Trump’s most energetic defender on all things Russia, in touch with one of the Ukrainians releasing documents in the United States.

There is hardly any secret to what they’re up to. Johnson says he plans to release his report on Biden in September. It hardly matters if the information Russia gives him actually substantiates his allegations, or even whether it is authentic. The obvious plan is to splash some headlines into news screens in the heat of the campaign that seem to connect Biden to some kind of wrongdoing.


In reality, it is not a scandal about Biden at all. It’s a scandal about Republican cooperation with a Russian propaganda campaign.

What makes Evanina’s statement on Friday so significant is that it makes clear that the passing of information, real or otherwise, from various Ukrainian figures to various Trump allies is part of a Russian-directed scheme to help Trump win. Republicans could tell Russia that Russian-controlled media are free to say anything they want, but Republicans aren’t going to launder their propaganda for them. Instead, they are doing everything in their power to exploit it.

Update: The unanswered question of why Evanina followed his first, vague statement with a second, more specific one has an answer. On Saturday morning, the New York Times Magazine published a long, devastating story by Robert Draper about Trump’s politicization of intelligence. Draper’s reporting forced Friday night’s release, which directly acknowledged Russia’s active preference to help Trump win.

Draper’s story also helps contextualize the essentially decorative mentions of China and Iran. Intelligence officials are terrified of enraging Trump by confirming that Russia wants him to win, even though the conclusion is obvious. If you want to understand why officials added references to China and Iran to create the illusion of balance — even though those two countries don’t seem to be taking any steps to help Biden, and Biden certainly isn’t cooperating with them — Draper’s narrative explains the intense pressure they’re facing
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