Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Rick Plant]

Mike Roman Flipping Could be a Catastrophe for Donald Trump
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-roman-trump-fake-electoral-2020-election-1810082

[Rick Plant]

It’s just now coming out that Trump pressured Ariz Gov Doug Ducey to overthrow the 2020 election. Also being reported that Trump pressured Mike Pence to pressure Ducey. So Pence appears to be the source of this information. But why is it coming out now? It’s not by chance.

Pence testified to the grand jury a couple months ago, and gave up all of this kind of information.

Pence could be today’s source. But why belatedly go running to the media now, and with something so specific about someone else? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

It’s possible that Jack Smith strategically decided to give this information to the media because he wants Ducey to know that he already knows the story, and encourage Ducey to go ahead and cooperate. But it’s difficult to imagine why Ducey wouldn’t cooperate. He’s just a witness, not a target. Can’t imagine him being willing to go to prison to protect Trump.

So maybe it’s something else.

But remember, the the wind doesn’t pick up this kind of information and randomly deposit it on a reporter’s desk. Someone involved with the story gives this kind of information to the media for a specific strategic reason.


Trump leaned on Arizona governor to flip state’s election results after 2020 loss, report says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-arizona-ducey-2020-election-b2367868.html

[Rick Plant]

'Now we have a witness': The DOJ has the foundation for 'additional, very serious charges' against Trump

Appearing on MSNBC on Saturday afternoon, a former assistant U. S. attorney who helped prosecute Jan. 6 insurrectionists claimed that the DOJ got a boost from being able to speak with a close Donald Trump aide heard on tape looking at and discussing confidential documents with the former president after he left office.

Speaking with host Michael Steele, attorney Alyse Adamson claimed the audio recording of Trump and aide Susie Wiles talking and laughing about the documents is helpful, but her testimony under oath likely will lead to more serious charges against the former president.

"How much damage could she cause Trump in his defense?" host Steele asked.

"I think it's very interesting," she replied. "I think it means it is ongoing and again, other charges are imminent."

"It's very damaging," she added. "We heard former president Trump say that he was not really showing classified documents, it was just bravado. These were just random papers he had. But now we have a witness who is likely going to say, 'no, that was a map.'"

"We have someone who was present that can refute Donald Trump's claims and so, I think, that is very important because all we have right now is an audio recording," she elaborated. "And so, yes, he is making statements that are important for his knowledge and intent that he was hanging on to classified documents, which is important for the ultimate charges in this matter. But you have a witness say, 'yes, I actually saw classified documents' that can lay the foundation for those additional, very serious, charges."

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[Rick Plant]

Revealed: Trump also tried to pressure Arizona governor to overturn 2020 election results



Donald Trump placed a call to former Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) just after the 2020 presidential election in an effort to pressure him to overturn the election results, reports the Washington Post.

Citing multiple sources, the bombshell report states that not only did the former president make a call, he also "repeatedly" attempted to get former vice president Mike Pence to join in on the pressure campaign and that Pence did call but did not press the issue

The Post is reporting, "Ducey told reporters in December 2020 that he and Trump had spoken, but he declined to disclose the contents of the call then or in the more than two years since. Although he disagreed with Trump about the outcome of the election, Ducey has sought to avoid a public battle with Trump."

According to a Ducey donor who spoke with the Post, the former governor described to them the "pressure" he felt from Trump.

"The account was confirmed by others aware of the call," the Post reports before adding, "Ducey told the donor he was surprised that special counsel Jack Smith’s team had not inquired about his phone calls with Trump and Pence as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into the former president’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the donor said."

The Post report goes on to state that it is not known if Smith's investigators have yet been in contact with Ducey.

The former president is already the subject of a 2020 vote tampering investigation by a grand jury in Georgia over phone calls Trump made to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) and Gov. Brian Kemp (R).

A possible indictment is rumored to be coming in mid-August from Fulton County DA Fani Willis.

Read More Here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/01/trump-2020-election-arizona-governor-doug-ducey/



'More chickens coming home to roost': Legal experts pounce on Trump over bombshell Arizona phone call report



A report from the Washington Post that Donald Trump reportedly called then-Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) and tried to pressure him to overturn the 2020 presidential election results set off a flurry of commentary on Saturday, with many observers saying the DOJ has another investigation to launch if it hasn't already.

According to the the bombshell report, not only did the then-president make a call, he also "repeatedly" attempted to get the Vice President Mike Pence to join in on the pressure campaign and that Pence did call but did not press the issue.

The Post reported that a Ducey donor recalled the Arizona GOP lawmaker talking about the call at a luncheon, with the report adding, "The account was confirmed by others aware of the call. Ducey told the donor he was surprised that special counsel Jack Smith’s team had not inquired about his phone calls with Trump and Pence as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into the former president’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the donor said."

That was all it took for critics to weigh in on what it means for the already twice-indicted former president.

Former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade offered, "If Jack Smith has not already interviewed former AZ Governor Ducey, you can bet he is typing up the subpoena now. More evidence of conspiracy to defraud the United States. Title 18, USC Section 371 for those of you keeping score at home."

Attorney Maya Wiley stated, "Surprising? No. Trump made calls to GA officials and we know there was a hard press in AZ too. If Jack Smith team hasn’t interviewed witnesses yet, they will now!"

Former prosecutor Joyce Vance wrote, "Once prosecutions start, witnesses tend to develop confidence in coming forward. More chickens coming home to roost: Trump pressured Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey to overturn 2020 election."

Lincoln Project founder and former GOP consultant Mike Madrid simply wrote, "To the surprise of absolutely no one."

Conservative attorney George Conway applauded Ducey for blowing Trump off, writing, "Happy 31 months since Gov. Ducey silenced a call from the psychopathic orange criminal defendant while certifying Arizona’s election results to all who celebrate."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/01/trump-2020-election-arizona-governor-doug-ducey/

[Rick Plant]

Trump aide may​ 'shed light on' exactly what Trump showed off in Bedminster: ex-prosecutor

The Donald Trump aide who has been purportedly identified as having witnessed the former president's classified documents in Bedminster, NJ, could "shed light on" exactly what he was holding in the now-infamous recording discussing military operations in Iran, making her testimony critical to Jack Smith's case, according to a former federal prosecutor.

Former federal prosecutor Shan Wu appeared on CNN Saturday and was asked about Susie Wiles, one Trump ally who was reportedly in the room when the audio was recorded. The host said it's not clear whether Wiles could be the source of the leak of that episode, and asked how else that Smith' prosecutors could have been clued in.

"It is hard to know. They may have been interviewing multiple people for it," Wu said, before discussing the importance of Wiles' testimony.

"Someone like her, it is so critical because she could shed light on what it was that Trump was rustling around in his hands and what he was saying about it," Wu added. "And if she got to see it, that will be significant evidence against him with mishandling national security information."

This information would be important in part because Trump has claimed he only had "newspaper clippings" and "building plans" during the recorded interview.

The host noted that Wiles has been travelling with Trump, and that she hasn't "fallen out of favor" yet.

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'Jack Smith is just getting warmed up': Former federal prosecutor points to red flags for Trump

Reacting to reports that special counsel Jack Smith may swamp Donald Trump with dozens more indictments, former prosecutor Glenn Kirschner suggested to an MSNBC host that the former president better gird his loins for what is coming.

Appearing on "The Saturday Show" with host Jonathan Capehart, Kirschner first stated that, if Trump aide Susie Wiles answer the special counsel's questions about the former president retaining classified documents and sharing them with her, that would put Trump in the "danger zone."

"Glenn, you are very good at reading the tea leaves," host Capehart began. "So, the New York Times is reporting that subpoenas are still going out in Jack Smith's documents case, subpoenas from the Miami grand jury —the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump. What do you make of this?"

"What I make of this is that Jack Smith is just getting warmed up," Kirschner shot back. "It seems like he is intent on investigating all of the potential crimes, not only of Donald, Trump but anybody else down at Mar-a-Lago, anybody else in Florida who may have been involved in assisting, facilitating, or who may be covering, up who may be an accessory after the fact to Donald Trump's crimes."

"In the big investigations, Jonathan, it is pretty usual that we will ask the grand jury to vote out one indictment, perhaps one or two defendants, and a limited number of charges, but we will continue to investigate in the grand jury any other crimes about which we have information, and then ask the grand jury to return a subsequent, or what we call a superseding indictment," he added. "That can add either additional charges against the defendants who are already charged, or it can add additional defendants. It can also broaden the conspiracy to bring more conspirators in, so, it feels like Jack Smith still has a good bit of investigating to go."

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[Rick Plant]

'A concern for Trump's team': Ex-prosecutor shows how DOJ could expand criminal case to D.C.

Donald Trump is already facing dozens of criminal charges, but his legal liability could be expanded in several states and in Washington, D.C, a federal prosecutor said on Saturday.

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti appeared on MSNBC, where he was asked about why the DOJ would keep a Florida grand jury seeing evidence while evidence surfaced in Bedminster. Specifically, Mariotti was asked about how Trump's legal team is handling having multiple sources of potential legal liability.

"Well, it's a difficult position for his defense team to be in, because they have to defend against, potentially, a moving target," he said. "They know what the charges are now but they could expand them in the future, and prosecutors always continue to investigate in charges."

Mariotti added that he has used a similar tactic when he brought a case against a real estate developer.

Mariotti also said that he could see criminal cases being brought in Arizona, Georgia, and other jurisdictions lost by Trump. However, he said it was also possible there is a "broad" case merging all these jurisdictions that could be brought in Washington, D.C., where there is already some grand jury activity.

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'Makes me so angry!': Trump's ex-press secretary lashes out at his sloppiness with docs

Donald Trump has been reckless in his handling of classified documents to the point that it brings his own former press secretary to the point of anger.

Stephanie Grisham, Trump's former White House press secretary and communications director, appeared on MSNBC on Saturday to discuss the newest revelations with Trump's criminal indictment for purported mishandling of classified materials post-presidency. Grisham is first asked by the host if she had ever crossed paths with Susie Wiles, whom many have speculated is one of the aides who was shown a classified document, according to the indictment.

"Yes, I have crossed paths with her, she is pretty well-known in political circles. In fact she used to work for Ron DeSantis, until they had a falling out," Grisham said. "So, I know Trump really needs her in the position that she's in, because DeSantis is his biggest competition at this moment."

She added that, if it's true that Miles was the one allegedly shown a classified document, "That is going to obviously put her in a very awkward position."

"I do believe, you know, I'm sure people all in the Trump world right now are working hard to figure out if it's her, asking her questions. It will just put her in an awkward position. I'm interested to see how it will play out ultimately, because he is not trusting many people right now."

Asked if it is "plausible" that Trump was showing classified documents to people in private meetings, Grisham said: "the short answer is yes."

"I watched him show documents to people at Mar-a-Lago, on the dining room patio," she added. "He has no respect for classified information, and never did."

After hearing audio of the alleged meeting in which Trump purportedly showed military documents on Iran, Grisham said, "Listening to that exchange, every time it just makes me so angry."

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[Joe Elliott]

It is said that Trump is crazy to still insist the Top Secret documents were his and still thinks so and even thinks they should be returned to him. But this is part of his pattern.

Trump is on tape threating the head election official in Georgia with prison if he doesn't award Trump the Georgian Electoral votes. If he refuses to, but three other Secretary of State elections cave in, then perhaps Trump will remain President and use all the resources of the Department of 'Injustice' to send him to prison.

But, if Trump continuously insists the election was stolen from him, continues to insist on this years later, might this not suggest that Trump's state of mind show that he is not really guilty?

Trump is on tape revealing top secret government information to people he is not suppose to still have and to people he is not suppose to be showing this to. But, if years later Trump still insists that he had every right to take these documents, to do with them whatever he wants, and believes the government should return these documents back to him immediately, might this not suggest Trump's state of mind show that he is not really guilty?

There is a pattern to Trump's arguments.