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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5621 on: August 10, 2022, 09:41:15 AM »
Key detail undermines argument Trump declassified documents found at Mar-a-Lago



One day after agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation executed a search warrant at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, three leading legal experts debunked the legal defense that Trump had declassified the documents found.

Writing for Just Security, former FBI Special Agent Asha Rangappa, Obama White House ethics czar Norman L. Eisen and national security attorney Bradley P. Moss, examined five violations of federal law Trump may have committed in this case.

The three attorneys first examined 18 U.S.C. 1924, "Unauthorized Removal and Retention of Classified Documents or Material."

"Since reporting indicates that the documents the agents were searching for included classified ones, this statute appears at first glance to be an obvious possible violation. Section 1924 makes it a crime to knowingly remove classified documents with the intent to retain them in an unauthorized location," they wrote.

They noted former Trump staffer Kash Patel has claimed many of the records were declassified by Trump.

Eisen, who helped draft White House Executive Order 13526, which restructured the classification system, examined that defense with his colleagues.

"Strictly speaking, even if Trump ordered the declassification of the records (verbally or in writing), what is likely to matter for purposes of handling and storing the records after he left the White House was if the mandatory follow-on actions occurred. Classified documents have classification markings in the header and footer of each page, indicating the level of classification for the document as a whole," they noted. "If Trump did in fact order the declassification, he still needed to make sure his staff took the necessary next steps to modify the classification markings on the documents before he could actually handle and store the records (as a private citizen) as if they were unclassified. Under security classification rules, a classification marking on a document has to be treated as valid and binding unless and until a subsequent marking replaces it. Appropriate government staffers would have needed to cross out the classification markings in the headers and footers, and stamped 'declassified' on the record noting when it was declassified, by whom and under what authority. Since that does not appear to have been done with the classified documents reportedly identified to date, the documents remain classified and had to be treated as classified for handling and storage purposes.

The three also examined 18 U.S.C. 2071, "Concealment, Removal, or Mutilation Generally," which has received a great deal of attention as it could potentially bar Trump from running for office in 2024.

"This is a more attractive statute for a prosecutor to apply to Trump than Section 1924, mainly because it does not require that the documents be classified – it applies to all government records," they wrote. "It also seems to fit the facts we know so far, namely that the FBI reportedly searched locations within Mar-a-Lago other than the room originally shown to DOJ during their June visit – suggesting that they had received information in the interim that additional documents were being stored, or concealed, elsewhere. For example, FBI agents allegedly searched Trump’s personal safe and his closet. Evidence that Trump had failed to reveal the full scope or all the locations where government records were being stored both to NARA and then to DOJ would also meet the heightened intent standard required by Section 2071, which is that the defendant act 'willfully.'"

They also noted three other potential violations of Title 18 of U.S. Code, which covers federal criminal law.

"A partially overlapping offense to Section 2071 can be found in 18 U.S.C. 641, which provides for criminal penalties against anyone who 'steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use or the use of another' government property," they wrote. "Section 1361 applies to anyone who “willfully injures or commits any depredation against any property of the United States, or of any department or agency thereof.” The severity of the penalty depends on the extent of the damage done to the government property in question, in this case the official documents that Trump is alleged to have mishandled including during his White House tenure."

The noted Section 1361 could potentially apply to documents Trump reportedly flushed down the toilet.

The three also noted Section 793, "Gathering or Transmitting Defense Information," may also apply.

"In a conventional White House not consumed with efforts to overthrow an election, the White House Counsel’s Office and relevant personnel would have sorted through the president’s records weeks before Inauguration Day and ensured that any classified records were properly secured. Reporting indicates that Trump’s White House was focused on 'other matters' until the final days of Trump’s presidency, and the resulting failure to separate out classified records may have been the result," the three reported. "The second prong, failing to promptly return national defense information upon learning it was illegally removed from a secure location, would have particular relevance in light of media reporting that Trump continued to have classified records at Mar-a-Lago even after his staff returned records in February. The fact that the FBI had to go so far as request that Trump staffers at Mar-a-Lago secure the room where the remaining classified records were still stored (which the aides then did with a padlock), and that the FBI’s search warrant authorized opening of safes and other locations both give reason to believe the government suspected there were more classified records stored at Mar-a-Lago."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5622 on: August 10, 2022, 09:56:11 AM »
Trump officials privately held strategy sessions about how to get their boss to give up boxes of classified info: NYT



On Tuesday, The New York Times reported that in the waning days of the Donald Trump administration, officials privately got together, trying to strategize about how to make the outgoing president surrender boxes that were full of classified documents to be returned to their proper place.

"By the end of his presidency, and as Mr. Trump was fighting to overturn his election loss, some of his aides were concerned with preserving the work of the office itself," reported Maggie Haberman, Ben Protess, Michael S. Schmidt, Luke Broadwater, and William K. Rashbaum. "His habit of transporting material around in cardboard boxes, with either a personal aide or a valet carrying them, was well known, but the contents were not always clear."

"Discussions were held within the White House by top staff members about how to get Mr. Trump to surrender his boxes, people familiar with the events said; it is unclear whether Mr. Trump was ever asked directly or officials simply did not take the issue to him," the report continued.

This new information comes a day after the FBI executed a search warrant at the former president's Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida, as part of an investigation into classified documents Trump removed when he left office.

"[One] person familiar with the search said agents began going through a storage unit, where items like beach chairs and umbrellas are kept, in the basement," said the report. "They progressed to his office, which was built for him on the second floor of the main house, where they cracked a hotel-style safe that was said by two people briefed on the search to contain nothing of consequence to the agents. Then they moved to Mr. Trump’s residence, the person said. Ultimately, they removed a number of boxes of documents, people familiar with the search said."

Trump has attacked the investigation as a witch hunt, even though the FBI director, Christopher Wray, was one of his own appointees.

Read More Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/us/politics/fbi-search-trump.html


Experts call on Trump to release search warrant and inventory list as his supporters talk of 'civil war'



Legal experts and other experts are urging – or in some cases, daring – Donald Trump to publish a copy of the FBI’s search warrant and the inventory list of the ten cartons of classified documents removed from Mar-a-Lago’s basement Monday, as his supporters openly call for civil war in response to what the former president called a “raid.”

“After the search, the federal agents hauled away roughly 10 more boxes,” The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

That makes the total number of cartons the former president was storing at his Florida home approximately 25, based on reports that 15 cartons had to be retrieved by the National Archives earlier this year.

Almost immediately upon news breaking that the FBI had executed a search warrant, Trump supporters went wild. They formed a convoy outside Mar-a-Lago, and online countless threats of violence and “civil war” have been made.

Tuesday morning CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan posted a graph, noting the “big spike in tweets referencing ‘civil war’ right after the news of the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago broke last night.”

Dr. Caroline Orr Bueno posted an image of a large number of tweets that call for civil war and other related threats of violence, including: “I already bought my ammo,” “Civil war! Pick up arms, people!” “Civil War 2.0 just kicked off,” “Let’s do the war,” and “One step closer to a kinetic civil war.”

And Tuesday afternoon NBC News reported, “After Mar-a-Lago search, users on pro-Trump forums agitate for ‘civil war’ — including a Jan. 6 rioter.”

Legal experts have made clear they believe FBI’s execution of a lawful federal search warrant is most likely in connection with a national security and counterintelligence operation, not a casual stroll into the private estate of a former U.S. president – and certainly not a political move, like Trump supporters are falsely claiming.

Former Dept. of Justice Inspector General Michael Bromwich, who is also a former Asst. U.S. Attorney at the Southern District of New York (SDNY) notes that “Trump has the search warrant, specifying the crimes being investigated, and the inventory of the items seized.”

“He has chosen not to share those items publicly although he is free to do so,” Bromwich adds.

Former U.S. Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal on MSNBC Tuesday morning:

“Donald Trump, you have a copy of the warrant. It explains what they were looking for, what statutes they think were violated, what judge signed off on that…If you believe this is such an abuse, release the warrant and let us decide for ourselves.”

“By the way,” noted Richard Stengel, a former U.S. Under Secretary of State, “Trump now has the search warrant and the inventory of what was taken in his possession. If this raid was so egregious and unjustified, why not release them?”

“Trump can release the search warrant and the inventory of what the FBI took. Why hasn’t he?” asked Marc Elias, the DNC’s top attorney who successfully fought more than 60 cases of alleged election fraud brought by the Trump team and his supporters.

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti, responding to a Fox News tweet with video of Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) that reads, “‘WE DESERVE ANSWERS NOW'” wrote: “Some of those questions could be answered if Trump released the search warrant as well as the inventory of items seized, which his team presumably has.”

Politico’s Kyle Cheney tweeting his article titled, “Why the Trump search warrant is nothing like Hillary’s emails,” wrote: “One person who could clear most of it up? Trump. He has access to the inventory of records at Mar-a-Lago and likely received a copy of the search warrant. He would also know the nature of the classified documents at issue.”

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5623 on: August 10, 2022, 10:04:11 AM »
Trump admin was so worried about classified info it referred 334 cases to DOJ for prosecution: report



Donald Trump and his most fervent supporters have freaked out after FBI agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, but when he was in office he took a far different view on classified information.

When he announced the FBI action, Trump said "these are dark times" and claimed it was "political persecution" that he was reportedly under investigation for mishandling classified information.

"The FBI search really is evidence of a leak investigation — perhaps the biggest in history," James Risen reported for The Intercept. "But in legal terms, the case doesn’t appear that different from the many leak investigations that Trump’s own Justice Department aggressively prosecuted throughout his time in office"

Risen, who won the 2006 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting at The New York Times, waged a seven-year battle that started in the George W. Bush administration after the DOJ attempted to force him to reveal a source. Risen ultimately prevailed.

"In fact, Trump put enormous pressure on the Justice Department to pursue leaks of classified information while he was president, usually related to negative disclosures in the press about him," Risen reported. "Many of the people charged in cases involving leaks of classified information during the Trump administration came in connection to disclosures in the press about Trump or Russia, or both. The Intercept reported last year that the Trump administration had referred a record of at least 334 leaks of classified information to the Justice Department for criminal investigation."

Despite the hypocrisy, Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) have called for Republicans to "totally gut" and defund the FBI.

Republicans escalated their rhetoric after the FBI also served a search warrant to seize the cell phone of Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA).

Read More Here: https://theintercept.com/2022/08/09/trump-fbi-raid-al-capone/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5624 on: August 10, 2022, 03:53:46 PM »
'It's going down': CNN legal analyst thinks latest DOJ moves show indictment of Trump is 'imminent'



CNN legal analyst Joey Jackson on Wednesday said that the Department of Justice's latest maneuverings show that former President Donald Trump and his allies are in deep legal jeopardy.

In discussing this week's FBI search of Mar-a-Lago on Monday, Jackson expressed skepticism that the search was solely about Trump improperly holding onto classified documents.

"The notion that it simply dealt with declassified documents, I think, would be misleading," he said. "I think there is a lot more here that we have to connect the dots to. Is there any information in there with respect to January 6th that would further the notion of what he was doing, who he was communicating with, any documents centered around that? So, you know, the fact is that we are in unchartered waters here, right?"

Jackson then said that he would be surprised to see the DOJ take such an aggressive step unless it planned to criminally charge Trump.

"I think the issue here is that indictment -- and I will say it -- I think it's imminent as it relates to the president," he said. "Look at the timing and everything else. I think he is in trouble, I think Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman, perhaps Mr. Giuliani -- it's going down, as they say."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5625 on: August 10, 2022, 06:43:31 PM »
Trump allies scrambling to figure out if someone 'flipped' on him ahead of FBI search: report



A new report from Axios claims that allies of former President Donald Trump are worried that an inside source gave the Department of Justice information about the documents he was storing in Mar-a-Lago.

According to the publication's sources, "Trumpworld is abuzz with speculation about which close aide or aides has "flipped" and provided additional sensitive information to the FBI about what former President Trump was keeping at Mar-a-Lago."

The report goes on to state that the atmosphere of "mistrust and paranoia" in Trump's inner circle has only "intensified" in the wake of the raid.

While it's not known what the DOJ was seeking with the search of Mar-a-Lago, multiple reports have claimed that DOJ lawyers had been in talks with Trump representatives about his retention of classified documents.

The question remains as to why the DOJ decided to execute a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago this week specifically, which has led to speculation that an inside source may have tipped them off to new evidence about the materials Trump was keeping in his private residence.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5626 on: August 10, 2022, 09:33:22 PM »
Trump pleads the 5th to New York AG after saying only mobsters do that



Donald Trump said Wednesday that he refused to answer questions while appearing in a New York attorney general's civil probe into alleged fraud at the Trump Organization.

According to a statement posted to his social media site, Trump asserted his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination when speaking under oath.

"I once asked, 'If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question," Trump said in the statement.

"I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution," Trump added.

He went on to repeat claims of a "witch hunt" and spent several paragraphs issuing an attack against the attorney general, Letitia James, who, he said, is only attacking him because of politics.

Trump is being investigated over allegations that he artificially inflated the size and value of his properties, which resulted in the value of properties being greater than the actual value when applying for additional capital or bank loans.

When he applied for tax breaks, documents obtained by reporter David Fahrenthold showed that he deflated the size of properties and buildings from the bank loans. At the same time, many members of Trump's staff were given gifts like cars, and homes in Trump Tower or family members were hired or given perks.

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” he once said publicly. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pleads-the-fifth/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5627 on: August 10, 2022, 10:03:23 PM »
You can't make this stuff up. Radical QAnon extremist Marjorie Taylor Greene is selling shirts to defund the FBI.

The radical right has gone even more extreme.