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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4781 on: March 05, 2022, 12:54:55 PM »
John Bolton destroys Trump supporters' argument on Ukraine in new interview



Supporters of Donald Trump have argued that Vladimir Putin never would have invaded Ukraine if the Republican had not lost the 2020 election were undermined by the administration's former National Security Advisor.

"Former national security adviser John Bolton told The Washington Post Friday that he thinks former president Donald Trump would have pulled the United States out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization had he been reelected in 2020," the newspaper reported. "Bolton, in an interview with Post opinions editor at large Michael Duffy, said the former president came close to pulling the United States out of NATO in 2018, a claim he originally made in a memoir published in 2020. In his book, Bolton wrote that he had to convince Trump not to quit NATO in the middle of a 2018 summit."

Bolton, who served as ambassador to the United Nations during the Bush Administration, succeeded H.R. McMaster as Trump's third National Security Advisor.

“In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO,” Bolton said. “And I think [Russian President Vladimir] Putin was waiting for that.”

This was not the first time Bolton undermined claims about Ukraine from Trump supporters.

"John Bolton pushes back on Newsmax host: "[Trump] barely knew where Ukraine was...It's just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians"

Watch: https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1498668151827054596

Read the full report here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/04/bolton-says-trump-might-have-pulled-us-out-nato-if-he-had-been-reelected/

Watch:

John Bolton tells the Washington Post⁩ Trump was just waiting for a 2nd term before pulling out of NATO and destroying the alliance now trying to counter Putin’s war.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4782 on: March 06, 2022, 01:40:32 AM »
Trump often compliments Putin.  It was part of his tactic to appeal to his ego. A tactic that avoided war during his administration.
 
:D :D :D

Totally false.

Donnie is weak Putin stooge. Putin was carrying on his war against Ukraine right under Donnie's nose for 4 years.

Now, how do you answer that? 

John Bolton: "Putin was fueling a war in eastern Ukraine throughout Trump's presidency."

Phony?  It's a direct quote taken from his CPAC speech.  Anyone can watch it and conclude which of us is telling the truth.  Trump often compliments Putin. It was part of his tactic to appeal to his ego. A tactic that avoided war during his administration. How are things working out under Biden?  He is two for two with Russian invasions during both the Obama and now his own failed administration. Trump has, in no uncertain terms, condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Just posting a lot of nonsesnse over and over again does not change that. Sean Hannity suggested that Putin be assassinated.  That doesn't sound like he is supporting Putin. But again, here is a direct quote from Trump on the issue.  Anyone can read it for themselves and reach a conclusion on which of us is telling the truth:

"The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling, it's an outrage and an atrocity that should never have been allowed to occur.  We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all."

Donald J. Trump (statement on 02/26/22)


John Bolton debunked this nonsense you posted. Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine then because Donnie was doing everything possible to soften up Ukraine for a future invasion. Putin was carrying on a war with Ukraine right under Donnie's nose for 4 years. So your claim is easily debunked.     

Donnie's former national security advisor, John Bolton said Donnie complained about all the sanctions his administration put on Russia, and he did nothing to deter Putin from invading Ukraine. He also said Putin was waiting for Donnie's second term to invade Ukraine because Donnie was going to pull out of NATO to appease his puppet master Putin. An anti American traitor.   

And even Mike Pence called out Donnie for praising Putin.

Criminal Donald praises Putin because he is a Russian asset who gave Putin whatever he wanted including our air force bases in Syria. So finally, Donnie puts out a phony condemnation after the entire world was bashing him for 3 days on Twitter but he refused to even mention Putin by name. Then he went right back to praising Putin again. It's the same scam he used when he pretended to condemn white nationalists in Charlottesville but then called them "very fine people" the next day. Sean Hannity changed his tune after he saw public outrage over the support of Putin but Faux Propaganda still allows Putin apologists on the air pushing Pro Kremlin talking points.


Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said on Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was waiting for former President Donald Trump to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization if he had won a second term.

Bolton made the remarks during a virtual event with the Washington Post on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where Bolton mostly offered critiques of current President Joe Biden's foreign policy in the region. At the end of the event, he was asked by the Post's Michael Duffy about how close Trump came to withdrawing the country from NATO, a translantic security alliance that includes the United States, Canada, and most of Europe.

"I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," said Bolton, who wrote in his memoir about Trump's consideration of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that."

Trump viewed NATO as a liability during his presidency, believing that European countries were not paying enough of their fair share of the burden of providing defense to the alliance. Bolton, a State Department official during the George W. Bush administration, was brought on to be Trump's national security advisor in 2018 only to be ousted a year and a half later.

Bolton's latest comments come just days after he told Newsmax that Trump "barely knew where Ukraine was," pushing back on a host who said the former president had been "tough on Russia."

Asked whether he was satisfied by how the Trump administration handled Ukraine, Bolton criticized his former boss.

"I think it went very badly," said Bolton. "It was hard to have discussions on geostrategic issues when the president's main interest was getting...  Rudy Giuliani in to see [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky so they could go find Hillary Clinton's computer server.

He added that Ukraine's position in the "maelstrom of American presidential politics" in the last few years made it difficult for Zelensky to establish a proper relationship with the United States, which Bolton said was Ukraine's "potentially most important supporter."

Trump was impeached for the first time over his withholding of $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure Zelensky to launch an investigation into Biden and his son Hunter over allegations of corruption.

Bolton said on Friday that former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Defense Secretary Mark Esper were concerned by Trump's behavior at the time. "All of us felt that we needed to bolster Ukraine's security, and were appalled at what Trump was doing," he said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bolton-putin-waiting-for-trump-to-withdraw-from-nato-in-2nd-term-2022-3


Mike Pence: No room in GOP for 'apologists for Putin'

Former Vice President Mike Pence on Friday will rebuke those in the Republican Party who have praised Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent weeks, including most prominently former President Trump.

"There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin. There is only room for champions of freedom," Pence will tell a gathering of Republican National Committee (RNC) donors, according to excerpts shared with The Hill.

The comments from Pence are a tacit criticism of Trump and others who have complimented Putin's intelligence and strategy as he directed Russia to invade Ukraine without provocation.

Trump last week said on a radio show that Putin's decision to unilaterally declare portions of eastern Ukraine as independent republics was "pretty savvy" and "genius." Putin's recognition of those territories preceded a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this year also referred to Putin as a "talented statesman" with "lots of gifts."

And Tucker Carlson, an influential Fox News host, questioned why Americans should hate Putin and described Ukraine as a country essentially managed by the U.S. government.

Those comments have drawn blowback from many in the Republican Party, especially as Russia has escalated its attacks on Ukraine and indiscriminately fired missiles at civilian centers and a nuclear facility, raising the risk of catastrophic casualties.

Trump shifted his tone earlier this week, calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine "a holocaust."
   
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/596926-pence-no-room-in-gop-for-apologists-for-putin


Russians Take Over 3rd U.S. Base in Northern Syria
December 26, 2019

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-take-over-3rd-us-base-in-northern-syria


And here is anti American traitor Faux "News" Russian stooge Douglas MacGregor pushing pro Kremlin propaganda on Faux today.

Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney
Douglas MacGregor, nominated by Trump as ambassador to Germany; appointed by Trump as sr advisor to the Secretary of Defense, says Russian forces have been “too gentle” and “I don’t see anything heroic” about Zelensky.

This is the Putin wing of the GOP.


Watch:

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1500225329595617286

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4783 on: March 06, 2022, 03:59:14 PM »
 
:D :D :D

Totally false.

Donnie is weak Putin stooge. Putin was carrying on his war against Ukraine right under Donnie's nose for 4 years.

Now, how do you answer that? 

John Bolton: "Putin was fueling a war in eastern Ukraine throughout Trump's presidency."

John Bolton debunked this nonsense you posted. Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine then because Donnie was doing everything possible to soften up Ukraine for a future invasion. Putin was carrying on a war with Ukraine right under Donnie's nose for 4 years. So your claim is easily debunked.     

Donnie's former national security advisor, John Bolton said Donnie complained about all the sanctions his administration put on Russia, and he did nothing to deter Putin from invading Ukraine. He also said Putin was waiting for Donnie's second term to invade Ukraine because Donnie was going to pull out of NATO to appease his puppet master Putin. An anti American traitor.   

And even Mike Pence called out Donnie for praising Putin.

Criminal Donald praises Putin because he is a Russian asset who gave Putin whatever he wanted including our air force bases in Syria. So finally, Donnie puts out a phony condemnation after the entire world was bashing him for 3 days on Twitter but he refused to even mention Putin by name. Then he went right back to praising Putin again. It's the same scam he used when he pretended to condemn white nationalists in Charlottesville but then called them "very fine people" the next day. Sean Hannity changed his tune after he saw public outrage over the support of Putin but Faux Propaganda still allows Putin apologists on the air pushing Pro Kremlin talking points.


Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said on Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was waiting for former President Donald Trump to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization if he had won a second term.

Bolton made the remarks during a virtual event with the Washington Post on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where Bolton mostly offered critiques of current President Joe Biden's foreign policy in the region. At the end of the event, he was asked by the Post's Michael Duffy about how close Trump came to withdrawing the country from NATO, a translantic security alliance that includes the United States, Canada, and most of Europe.

"I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," said Bolton, who wrote in his memoir about Trump's consideration of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that."

Trump viewed NATO as a liability during his presidency, believing that European countries were not paying enough of their fair share of the burden of providing defense to the alliance. Bolton, a State Department official during the George W. Bush administration, was brought on to be Trump's national security advisor in 2018 only to be ousted a year and a half later.

Bolton's latest comments come just days after he told Newsmax that Trump "barely knew where Ukraine was," pushing back on a host who said the former president had been "tough on Russia."

Asked whether he was satisfied by how the Trump administration handled Ukraine, Bolton criticized his former boss.

"I think it went very badly," said Bolton. "It was hard to have discussions on geostrategic issues when the president's main interest was getting...  Rudy Giuliani in to see [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky so they could go find Hillary Clinton's computer server.

He added that Ukraine's position in the "maelstrom of American presidential politics" in the last few years made it difficult for Zelensky to establish a proper relationship with the United States, which Bolton said was Ukraine's "potentially most important supporter."

Trump was impeached for the first time over his withholding of $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure Zelensky to launch an investigation into Biden and his son Hunter over allegations of corruption.

Bolton said on Friday that former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Defense Secretary Mark Esper were concerned by Trump's behavior at the time. "All of us felt that we needed to bolster Ukraine's security, and were appalled at what Trump was doing," he said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bolton-putin-waiting-for-trump-to-withdraw-from-nato-in-2nd-term-2022-3


Mike Pence: No room in GOP for 'apologists for Putin'

Former Vice President Mike Pence on Friday will rebuke those in the Republican Party who have praised Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent weeks, including most prominently former President Trump.

"There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin. There is only room for champions of freedom," Pence will tell a gathering of Republican National Committee (RNC) donors, according to excerpts shared with The Hill.

The comments from Pence are a tacit criticism of Trump and others who have complimented Putin's intelligence and strategy as he directed Russia to invade Ukraine without provocation.

Trump last week said on a radio show that Putin's decision to unilaterally declare portions of eastern Ukraine as independent republics was "pretty savvy" and "genius." Putin's recognition of those territories preceded a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this year also referred to Putin as a "talented statesman" with "lots of gifts."

And Tucker Carlson, an influential Fox News host, questioned why Americans should hate Putin and described Ukraine as a country essentially managed by the U.S. government.

Those comments have drawn blowback from many in the Republican Party, especially as Russia has escalated its attacks on Ukraine and indiscriminately fired missiles at civilian centers and a nuclear facility, raising the risk of catastrophic casualties.

Trump shifted his tone earlier this week, calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine "a holocaust."
   
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/596926-pence-no-room-in-gop-for-apologists-for-putin


Russians Take Over 3rd U.S. Base in Northern Syria
December 26, 2019

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-take-over-3rd-us-base-in-northern-syria


And here is anti American traitor Faux "News" Russian stooge Douglas MacGregor pushing pro Kremlin propaganda on Faux today.

Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney
Douglas MacGregor, nominated by Trump as ambassador to Germany; appointed by Trump as sr advisor to the Secretary of Defense, says Russian forces have been “too gentle” and “I don’t see anything heroic” about Zelensky.

This is the Putin wing of the GOP.


Watch:

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1500225329595617286


You are really citing John Bolton who has wanted a World War with Russia for decades?  LOL.  Trump played Putin like a violin.  Using his ego against him.  There is no debate about the results.  They speak for themselves.  Under weak Biden who has funded Putin with his disastrous energy policy, an all-out invasion.  Under Trump's administration, some compliments for Putin but no invasion.  Which do you think the people of Ukraine prefer? 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4784 on: March 06, 2022, 11:41:46 PM »

You are really citing John Bolton who has wanted a World War with Russia for decades?  LOL.  Trump played Putin like a violin.  Using his ego against him.  There is no debate about the results.  They speak for themselves.  Under weak Biden who has funded Putin with his disastrous energy policy, an all-out invasion.  Under Trump's administration, some compliments for Putin but no invasion. Which do you think the people of Ukraine prefer?

And here's even more propaganda above. :D

John Bolton is a national security expert and you are not. 

Just admit you are wrong. If you payed attention to real news you would have known there already was a war going in in Eastern Ukraine for the entire disastrous Trump occupation.

Trump often compliments Putin.  It was part of his tactic to appeal to his ego. A tactic that avoided war during his administration.

You are wrong. War was already going on in Ukraine under Donnie's disatrous occupation. He didn't "avoid" any war.


Russia’s conflict with Ukraine: An explainer

Nov 26, 2018

MOSCOW — Russian border guards opened fire on three Ukrainian vessels in the Kerch Strait near the Russia-occupied Crimean peninsula, raising the prospect of a full-scale military confrontation. The incident comes on the back of a four-and-a-half year long proxy conflict in eastern Ukraine.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/11/26/russias-conflict-with-ukraine-an-explainer/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4785 on: March 07, 2022, 12:03:19 AM »
Donnie is not mentally well. But we all know that.

Trump scorched for 'drunk uncle' proposal to start a massive war between Russia and China
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-war/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4786 on: March 07, 2022, 12:36:48 AM »


You are wrong. War was already going on in Ukraine under Donnie's disatrous occupation. He didn't "avoid" any war.


Russia’s conflict with Ukraine: An explainer

Nov 26, 2018

MOSCOW — Russian border guards opened fire on three Ukrainian vessels in the Kerch Strait near the Russia-occupied Crimean peninsula, raising the prospect of a full-scale military confrontation. The incident comes on the back of a four-and-a-half year long proxy conflict in eastern Ukraine.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/11/26/russias-conflict-with-ukraine-an-explainer/

You are living in some type of alternative reality defined by your political bias.  You are equating some type of minor skirmish with a full-scale invasion?  Unreal.  Smacks of desperation as things fall apart.  The facts speak for themselves.  Biden is failing again.  Even the Dems can't figure out why he won't cut off the oil money to Putin.  His advisors are petrified of the gas prices and willing sell out Ukrainians to Russia.  He will eventually do it.  Leading from behind as usual but too little, too late.  Just like his alleged "plan" to "shutdown" the virus.  His "plan" apparently was for 600K Americans to die on his watch and everyone else to get it.   Way to Brandon!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4787 on: March 07, 2022, 04:39:02 AM »
You are living in some type of alternative reality defined by your political bias.  You are equating some type of minor skirmish with a full-scale invasion?  Unreal.  Smacks of desperation as things fall apart.  The facts speak for themselves.  Biden is failing again.  Even the Dems can't figure out why he won't cut off the oil money to Putin.  His advisors are petrified of the gas prices and willing sell out Ukrainians to Russia.  He will eventually do it.  Leading from behind as usual but too little, too late.  Just like his alleged "plan" to "shutdown" the virus.  His "plan" apparently was for 600K Americans to die on his watch and everyone else to get it.   Way to Brandon!

It wasn't a "Minor skirmish". It was an ongoing war that was going on under Donnie's nose for 4 years and he helped weaken Ukraine which allowed this full scale invasion.

You were wrong and you go right back to posting more propaganda.