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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4620 on: February 08, 2022, 04:08:40 PM »
:D :D :D

Nice right wing propaganda. "Ordinary people" don't beat cops during an insurrection and attempt a coup to overthrow the government like Trump's terrorists did.

They are beating cops in Canada?  Where is the concern for cops being murdered due to the policies of the leftists like Biden and the Dems?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4621 on: February 08, 2022, 04:19:22 PM »
Trump's terrorists headed up north to Canada to wreak havoc. This whole thing is a far right wing funded and coordinated plot as they use the pandemic to push their far right wing extremism attempting to overthrow the government. These thugs are responsible for keeping this pandemic going and need to be moved out. Disrupting and occupying a major city is illegal, and if they refuse to move out, put them all in jail where they belong.     



You really have a great enthusiasm for jailing anyone who voice a dissenting view.  You really want to lock up truckers and farmers in Canada for exercising their right to protest?  In addition to shortages from the unconstitutional vaccine mandates, you want to arrest the very people who grow and deliver the food and supplies.  Wow. 
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4622 on: February 08, 2022, 11:04:09 PM »
Sidney Powell claims in court docs she shouldn't be disbarred because 'perhaps' election conspiracies are real



Top Donald Trump ally Sidney Powell is protesting the referral for her disbarment by claiming that it's entirely possible that everything she said could have been true.

In Aug. 2021, Powell and other lawyers faced sanctions after filing a conspiracy lawsuit in Michigan courts. U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker ordered Powell's legal team to pay $21,964.75 for attorneys' fees for defendants Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. She also said that Powell and other lawyers had to pay $153,285.62 for legal fees to the city of Detroit.

Now, Powell is asking the U.S. Appeals Court to reverse the sanctions because the charges could have been true.

Screen captures posted by Law & Crime's Adam Klasfeld show that Powell said that the District Court made it sound like everything they submitted in court was fraudulent. Worse, she said that the self-described "Kraken" lawyers seem like "overwrought, dangerous lunatics."

"But prior and subsequent lawsuits have pointed to very similar problems. And dozens of laws have been enacted by state legislatures in response to concerns similar to those raised in the complaint. Millions of Americans believe the central contentions of the complaint to be true, and perhaps they are," the filing says.

It's reminiscent of indicted Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick both explained that the reason the state had to pass regulations to restrict voting was that people felt like there was voter fraud, even if it didn't exist. They wanted to renew confidence in the election, they explained.

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The appellate brief also argues that "perhaps" their election conspiracy theories are true because "Millions of Americans" believe them and act accordingly in courts and state Legislatures.



https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/sidney-powell-kraken-lawyers-ask-appeals-court-to-reverse-intemperate-sanctions-order-were-not-overwrought-dangerous-lunatics/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4623 on: February 09, 2022, 12:48:52 AM »
You really have a great enthusiasm for jailing anyone who voice a dissenting view.  You really want to lock up truckers and farmers in Canada for exercising their right to protest?  In addition to shortages from the unconstitutional vaccine mandates, you want to arrest the very people who grow and deliver the food and supplies.  Wow.

First of all, it's not "unconstitutional" for the Canadian and American government to implement safety measures to protect the lives of their citizens. That is the purpose of having a government in the first place. Seat belts were mandated throughout the country to save lives and that is not "unconsitutional".     

Masks prevent the transmission of the virus and was implemented to help control the spread of Covid. There is nothing "unconsitutional" about stopping the spread of a highly transmissible virus. That is a health and safety measure which every government has the right to mandate.

Vaccines help to stop the spread of the virus and to help keep people from dying. There is nothing "unconsitutional" about mandating a covid vaccine when schools already mandate vaccines for other diseases. Right wingers want to politicize COVID in order to cause chaos and disruption of our government.   

Mandates are overwhelmingly supported by Canadian and American citizens because they want this pandemic to end. Close to 90% of truckers and farmers in Canada are vaccinated and support the mandates. These far right wingers who staged this "convoy" are in the minority, and are using objection to mandates as a way to push their right wing extremism, disrupt government, and cause chaos through violence.

These far right wingers do not have a right to shut down a major city, occupy it, terrorize citizens, and refuse to leave. That is not "protesting". That is terrorism.  Disruption of government and the function of a major city is against the law. Violaters will be jailed according to the law which is law and order. Ottawa has declared a state of emergency due to the chaos and right wing civil unrest.

Ottawa declares state of emergency over COVID protests
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ottawa-freedom-convoy-trucker-protest-state-of-emergency-covid/

We recently had two elections in Canada and the United States. The Liberal Party and the Democratic Party both easily won elections because the overwhelming majority of Canadians and Americans support their policies. The far right is in the minority and will never be in power. And their attempts to destroy our governments through chaos and violence will fail. Americans are sick of this and will make sure to defeat these right wing fascists in even larger numbers in November.     
 

Analysis: Majority of Canadians disagree with ‘freedom convoy’ on vaccine mandates and lockdowns

The arrival of the self-styled “freedom convoy” in Ottawa this week has dominated headlines, but do the demonstrators represent the views of most Canadians? When it comes to their stark opposition to government-imposed restrictions and vaccine mandates, research shows the protesters clearly represent a minority view — no matter how vocal they are.

Most Canadians support government measures to help control the spread of COVID-19, according to our ongoing public opinion study. Known as the COVID-19 Monitor, the study of Canadians’ attitudes relating to the COVID-19 pandemic and public policy interventions has been running since shortly after the first COVID-19-related government restrictions were introduced in March 2020. It has amassed more than 100,000 respondents, making it one of the largest continuing studies of Canadian attitudes toward the pandemic.

The study is a partnership between McMaster University’s Digital Society Lab and Vox Pop Labs, a social enterprise that conducts public opinion research polling. We hold positions with both organizations.

Our findings indicate that a majority of Canadians support most of the measures that have been employed by federal and provincial governments aimed at preventing the transmission of COVID-19. In most cases support has remained relatively stable since the beginning of the pandemic.

Our objective in reporting the results of this study is not to pass judgement on the views of the “freedom convoy” demonstrators or their supporters. We simply offer a series of empirical tests of the claims that those views are widely shared among Canadians. Our analysis of the data from the COVID-19 Monitor indicates that such claims are significantly exaggerated.

The most recent wave of the COVID-19 Monitor study was conducted online from Jan. 4-10, 2022, and completed by 2,339 respondents randomly selected from the Vox Pop Labs online respondent panel. The respondents were weighted by census estimates of age, education, region, sex and vote choice in the 2021 federal election to reflect a representative sample of the Canadian population.

Vaccine mandates

Although they are widely attributed as the catalyst for the trucker rally, vaccine mandates actually enjoy high levels of support among Canadians. Survey data shows approximately four out of five Canadians agree that health- and long-term care workers should be required to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Roughly three-quarters of Canadians think that vaccines should be mandatory for government workers and politicians.

There is even broad-based support for a vaccine mandate for all non-exempt adults over the age of 18, with 70 per cent of Canadians indicating that they back the measure to some extent. That support begins to decline slightly when it comes to opinions on mandatory vaccines for teenagers and adolescents. It drops precipitously to just under 50 per cent for children under the age of five.



Vaccine passports

A majority of Canadians agree with the requirement to provide proof of vaccination against COVID-19 in order to undertake certain activities. We observed that an estimated four out of every five Canadians supports vaccine passports for air or cruise ship travel. Support tapers off ever-so-slightly for proof of vaccination in venues such as movie theatres, restaurants and gyms.

Of all the activities posed to survey respondents, shopping at a grocery store registered the lowest level of support for requiring vaccine passports. Just 50 per cent of Canadians indicated that they would agree with such a measure.



Restrictions

Canadians are also broadly supportive of most government-imposed restrictions associated with COVID-19. The field dates of this latest wave of the COVID-19 Monitor study coincide with renewed restrictions in many provinces in response to a surge in cases associated with the Omicron variant.

The highest level of support for restrictions is with respect to nursing homes, but respondents also indicated widespread agreement with restrictions on international travel, bars and nightclubs and stadiums. Even school and daycare closures received majority support with 66 per cent of Canadians strongly or somewhat agreeing with such measures given the circumstances at the time.



Only the possibility of restrictions on playgrounds, parks and the potential for curfews received less than majority support. This is a marked shift from a year ago, when our data shows that Canadians were more supportive of restrictions on outdoor activities than they are now.



Overall, our findings suggest that Canadians are growing increasingly weary of the pandemic and its management by our political leaders, but are by and large resolved to support the measures being put in place by the federal and provincial governments to try to see us through.

While this may not be the sense that one gets on the streets of Ottawa this week, these results reflect that it is the position of most Canadians.

https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/analysis-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-freedom-convoy-on-vaccine-mandates-and-lockdowns/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4624 on: February 09, 2022, 01:50:29 AM »
They are beating cops in Canada?  Where is the concern for cops being murdered due to the policies of the leftists like Biden and the Dems?

The same insurrectionists who beat Capitol police and stormed the Capitol want to stage a similar right wing "convoy" in DC to disrupt our government. Pay attention to the article.

Cops are being murdered due to Republicans refusing to do anything about gun violence in America. The GOP policy is to do nothing as with everything else.

Republicans are soft on crime. They allow dangerous criminals who shouldn't be allowed to own weapons to own as many as they want which endangers police officers lives every single day as well as American citizens. These are the same Republicans who feel that Trump supporters beating cops outside the Capitol is "legitimate political discourse." That's why they are going to lose in a landslide in November because normal Americans do not support fascism and political violence that the RNC has fully endorsed.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4625 on: February 09, 2022, 02:07:48 AM »
These far right wing fascist Trump worshippers can't get over the fact their messiah lost in a blowout election because he is extremely unpopular and was a total disaster. So, they pathetically still cling to this loser claiming non-existent "voter fraud" to prop up this fraudulent clown. Trump is a joke and more and more Republicans see him for what he is. Millions of Americans were dancing in the streets when the race was called for Joe Biden. Never in American history did that ever happen before. Mike Pence and the Federalist Society threw Trump under the bus and Mitch McConnell has no use for Criminal Donald either. They did that because they know Trump is weak and on his way to being indicted for election and financial crimes. Trump is now less popular in the GOP than he was in 2020. The GOP is imploding as RNC and Trump worshippers believe political violence is perfectly acceptable. The majority of Americans disagree and will vote accordingly to defeat them again in November.           

Trump spokesperson: Attempts to overturn 2020 election ‘never going away until we get the correct result’



Trump spokeswoman Liz Harrington told Steve Bannon on Tuesday that former President Donald Trump will never stop trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

While appearing on Bannon's "War Room" podcast, Harrington was asked about the purported process of "decertifying" the 2020 presidential election, even though no such process exists.

Despite this, Harrington said that the quest to decertify the 2020 election would continue.

"This is not going away," she said. "And this is never going away until we get the correct result."

In fact, the correct result is that President Joe Biden won the electoral college vote by a tally of 306 to 232, while defeating Trump in the popular vote by 7 million votes.

Harrington went on to claim that she has new undisclosed evidence showing "just how fraudulent" the 2020 election was, despite the fact that even Trump's hand-picked Arizona "auditors" found that Biden won that state in 2020.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-coup-2656601449/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4626 on: February 09, 2022, 02:07:42 PM »
'Seeing the cult start to crack': CNN's Avlon sees GOP senators increasingly turning against Trump



On Tuesday's edition of CNN's "OutFront," analyst John Avlon weighed in on the growing number of Republican senators, including Sens. Mitt Romney (R-UT), Kevin Cramer (R-ND), and Thom Tillis (R-NC) coming out to criticize the Republican National Committee's resolution claiming that the House Select Committee investigating January 6 is trying to persecute "legitimate political discourse."

"So just to be clear, Romney, okay, we expect him. But the other senators not so much," said anchor Erin Burnett. "You are seeing people that before didn't say anything that are saying, hey, look, this censure idea is a bad idea. Do you see growing Republican senators speaking out here? Is this something or not?"

"I think it's the beginning of seeing the cult start to crack," said Avlon. "You are seeing, in the wake of Mike Pence Friday night calling out Trump, finally, in clear terms — you've seen, you know, people like Larry Hogan and Chris Christie speaking out even more clearly. Now these senators, not just Mitt Romney and Bill Cassidy, those that go out and rationalize him in the past, saying this is too far. And you know the old saying, one man with courage makes a majority. Well, six senators start to send forth ripples of hope for maybe some of their colleagues saying, you know what, maybe telling the truth isn't the end of the world. Maybe it's the smart political thing to do."

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