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« Reply #3936 on: April 17, 2021, 05:31:22 PM »
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"Pence betrayed this country, integrity, and morality. God entrusted him with a task to do the right thing and he bowed to evil," Catherine Slonksis wrote on Gab. "I have no sympathy for evil doers. May he recover and one day repent for what he allowed to take place before he stands before the judgment seat."

I disagree with this. Catherine Slonksis implies that maybe, Pence can be forgiven. But some sins are too monstrous to ever be forgiven, no matter how remorseful Pence may be.

Only for the truly righteous would God insist that an election must be stolen for him. Donald Trump, despite all the evidence to the contrary, must be truly righteous.

Pence didn’t betray Trump once or even twice. Peter denied Christ three times but Pence denied Trump six times. For Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when he refused to award these states to Trump. I say, no forgiveness for Pence. The Catherine Slonksis of this world are too soft hearted to be true Christians.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3937 on: April 18, 2021, 07:38:17 PM »
More evidence of the Trump Russian collusion and conspiracy to steal the 2016 election. The Dow is soaring with President Biden at the helm.

Trump campaign chief Manafort’s associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/trump-campaign-chief-paul-manafort-employee-kilimnik-gave-russia-election-data.html

Dow’s close above 34,000 marks most 1,000-point milestones since 2017
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dows-close-above-34-000-marks-most-1-000-point-milestones-since-2017-11618520065

No one in Trump's campaign had a relationship with Kilimnik other than Paul Manafort.

Manafort was fired by Trump in 2016 shortly after stories broke relating to his shady business ties in Ukraine.

There's zero evidence of Kilimnik having a relationship with anyone in Trump's campaign outside of Paul Manafort who worked with the guy long before 2016.

Kilimnik may have been a spy but he was still allowed to visit the US and meet with Obama's State Dept officials in 2016 and his last visit to the US was January 2017. 

No one seems to have connected Kilimnik to Russia's election meddling until recently but the US Senate and Biden's administration haven't explained why they now believe he was part of Russia's 2016 election meddling...

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3938 on: April 19, 2021, 04:09:05 AM »
Attorneys for Trump accuser E. Jean Carroll ask court to keep DOJ from defending case
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/attorneys-for-trump-accuser-e-jean-carroll-ask-court-to-keep-doj-from-defending-case/ar-BB1fJU1q?ocid=msedgntp

In a nutshell. Elle columnist E. Jean Carroll accuses Donald Trump of making a sexual assault back in the 1990’s. Trump denies this and claims he never had sexual relations with her, never met her and she really was not his type. Ms. Carroll claims she has a black dress with Trump’s DNA on it.

Determining the truth is simple. Compare Trump’s DNA with the DNA on the dress.

If Ms. Carroll refuses, for any reason, to submit the black dress for DNA analysis, then I will conclude that she is lying. If Trump refuses, for any reason, to give a sample of his blood for DNA analysis, then I will conclude Trump is lying.

My guess of the probable truth? Ms. Carroll is very credible. I think she is telling the truth and Trump is lying. What is likely to happen? Trump will refuse to hand over a DNA sample. Better to have millions think you are lying than to have millions know you are lying and having it scientifically proven you are lying.

It should be noted that Trump has foolishly painted himself into a corner. A common rapist’s defense is to admit that, yes, they did have a sexual encounter, but it was by mutual consent. DNA tests can never determine the truth or falsehood of that. But by saying he never had sexual relations with her, he never met her, she was not really his type, he has made a major mistake, if guilty. A pattern of believing he can get away with any lie may have gotten him into trouble.

The Department of Justice, under the Trump administration, has been defending Trump from his charge. President Biden should put a stop to that. This charge was not related to any actions he took as part of his Presidential duties. He should have to defend himself like any other private individual.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3939 on: April 20, 2021, 05:44:29 PM »
I find it as hard to believe that Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes as I would find it hard to believe that George Floyd died of natural causes. This finding will unfortunately result in much lesser sentences for Julian Elie Khater and George Pierre Tanios for using bear spray against the Capitol Police, including officer Sicknick. I can’t believe the bear spray was not responsible for the officer’s subsequent stroke, blood clot and death.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3940 on: April 20, 2021, 08:09:19 PM »
Awaiting the verdict of the Derek Chauvin trial. As clear a case demanding a guilty verdict as any I have seen. And it appears the trial has not gone too well for the Defense. But I fear all that is likely irrelevant. What is relevant is the mindset of the individual jurors. Did they go in with an open mind or were they looking for excuses to find him guilty, or not guilty. I don’t think a not guilty verdict is likely but I would not be surprised to get a hung jury. One bad and determined juror can make that happen.

Relation to Trump? I think it is clear that Chauvin has the sort of mindset of many Trump supporters and a single strong supporter of Trump on the jury can mess things up.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3941 on: April 27, 2021, 11:04:38 PM »
Trump Dragged Closer to Testifying in Protesters’ Suit Accusing His Guards of Assault
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-dragged-closer-to-testifying-in-protesters-suit-accusing-his-guards-of-assault

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3942 on: April 28, 2021, 03:09:57 PM »
Here's the real fake news exposed again....the New York Post rag and Faux Propaganda

NY Post reporter who penned fake article on Kamala Harris’ book says she was ‘ordered’ to write it
https://www.rawstory.com/ny-post-reporter-who-penned-fake-article-on-kamala-harris-book-says-she-was-ordered-to-write-it/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3943 on: April 28, 2021, 11:42:59 PM »
Not looking too good for old Rudy.  :D

Rudy Giuliani's home, office searched by federal agents as part of lobbying probe, sources tell ABC News
Sources say Giuliani's electronic devices were confiscated by authorities

https://abcnews.go.com/US/rudy-giulianis-home-office-searched-federal-agents-part/story?id=77368884

FBI seizes electronics from Rudy Giuliani's Manhattan apartment
https://abc7ny.com/politics/fbi-seizes-electronics-from-rudy-giulianis-nyc-apartment/10556451/

A grand jury has been impaneled in the federal investigation into Rudy Giuliani
https://www.businessinsider.com/grand-jury-has-been-impaneled-the-federal-investigation-into-giuliani-2021-4

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3943 on: April 28, 2021, 11:42:59 PM »