Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

Yes, he only got 75 million votes!  The old fashioned way.  People showed up at the polls.  More votes than any prior candidate for president.  Who is going to beat him?  Harris?  LOL.  She didn't even get a single vote in the dem primary.  Not one.  She had to drop out before the primaries even started because she had zero support among democrats.  I would be more concerned with the current situation which resembles Beijing more than a democracy.  Military occupation of DC - Check.  Media censorship - Check.  Blacklisting of individuals for political beliefs - Check.  There was a time when civil libertarians would have opposed all that.

Trump will never sniff at 75 million votes again. Too many of the traditional Republicans, with the old Republican Party values, have turned against him for good. We saw early signs of that in the November election. And even stronger signs of that in the January 5 runoff elections in Georgia. And that was before the assault on the Capitol. Trump can’t get by on rabid Trump voters alone. There were never enough of them. He needs the old fashion, traditional Republicans to go from winning 35 per cent of the vote to 49 per cent of the vote. And many, I believe most, of those folks are gone for good. You wait and see what happens in 2022. Yes, the anti-Trump Republicans will mostly lose in the primaries. But the rabid Trump supporters will lose in November. Just like those two who lost in Georgia last month.

[Joe Elliott]

After all the lies, bigotry and grifting that he's done, as well as the associations with the likes of Jeffrey Epstein, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, QAnon and Vladmir "Russian Hookers" Putin--how the hell can you continue to kiss the arse of your lord and master Heir Drumpf? There is something seriously wrong with you and the entire GOP that you continue to go along with the "stop the steal" BS and insurrection and welcome QAnon with open arms. What a bunch of Drumpfass-kissing pussies the GOP has turned into. Your white supremacist leader has turned you into a spineless cult and now he is attempting to high-jack the GOP so he can remain in power and stay out of prison. He is a very desperate, unstable man that is willing to incite a goddamned  insurrection. How could 74 million fall for that BS? What does that say about their gullibility? Drumpf is the greatest existential threat to our democracy since the Civil War and this is smelling a lot like the 4th Reich to me. Is Heir Drumpf actually the anti-christ to you guys? Does he represent "The Reckoning" to you QAnon types? Will Alex Jones emerge as the Emperor in the end? Lord help us all.

I totally agree with this.

[Joe Elliott]

Looks like he's gonna have to move to Russia after all. If Putin will have him.

Putin would certainly have him and set him up in comfort. And Trump would receive much praise. Putin wouldn't want to discourage a possible future traitor.

[Rick Plant]

Trump will never sniff at 75 million votes again. Too many of the traditional Republicans, with the old Republican Party values, have turned against him for good. We saw early signs of that in the November election. And even stronger signs of that in the January 5 runoff elections in Georgia. And that was before the assault on the Capitol. Trump can’t get by on rabid Trump voters alone. There were never enough of them. He needs the old fashion, traditional Republicans to go from winning 35 per cent of the vote to 49 per cent of the vote. And many, I believe most, of those folks are gone for good. You wait and see what happens in 2022. Yes, the anti-Trump Republicans will mostly lose in the primaries. But the rabid Trump supporters will lose in November. Just like those two who lost in Georgia last month.

You can just look at poll numbers as well. Only 56% of Republicans want him to run again. 34% do not want him to. If he was super popular it would be an astronomical number still with him. He will keep the die hards no matter what but a ton of Republicans are leaving the GOP altogether. On Twitter, somebody posted the numbers of registration changes and even in red states the GOP is losing people. Who in their right mind would belong to a party that condones treason, sedition, coup attempts, and publically calling to murder members of the other party.           

[Rick Plant]

Old Joe is the President.  He knows because he read it off the teleprompter while squinting intently.  That's Kantala looking over his shoulder.  Looking at her watch and counting the minutes.

Is that the best insults you got?  Very weak. At least we don't have to put up with a criminal administration committing treason anymore. The DOJ can now focus on prosecuting all of them as more and more evidence comes to light.     

Trump White House was behind the decision to have a march to the Capitol: NYTimes
https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-2650223806/

[Rick Plant]

Trump Insurrection Timeline: First the coup — and then the cover-up
https://www.rawstory.com/insurrection-act/

[Rick Plant]

Trump pollster's campaign autopsy paints damning picture of defeat

The 27-page report pins Trump's loss on voter perception that he was untrustworthy and disapproval of his pandemic performance




Former President Donald Trump has blamed the election results on unfounded claims of fraud and malfeasance. But at the top levels of his campaign, a detailed autopsy report that circulated among his political aides paints a far different — and more critical — portrait of what led to his defeat.

The post-mortem, a copy of which was obtained by POLITICO, says the former president suffered from voter perception that he wasn’t honest or trustworthy and that he was crushed by disapproval of his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. And while Trump spread baseless accusations of ballot-stuffing in heavily Black cities, the report notes that he was done in by hemorrhaging support from white voters.
The 27-page report, which was written by Trump chief pollster Tony Fabrizio, shows how Trump advisers were privately reckoning with his loss even as the former president and many of his supporters engaged in a conspiracy theory-fueled effort to overturn the election. The autopsy was completed in December 2020 and distributed to Trump’s top political advisers just before President Joe Biden’s Jan. 20 inauguration.

It is unclear if Trump has seen the report.

The findings are based on an analysis of exit polling in 10 states. Five of them — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — are states that Trump lost after winning them in 2016. The other five — Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas — are states that Trump won in both elections.

The report zeroes in on an array of demographics where Trump suffered decisive reversals in 2020, including among white seniors, the same group that helped to propel him to the White House. The autopsy says that Trump saw the “greatest erosion with white voters, particularly white men,” and that he “lost ground with almost every age group.” In the five states that flipped to Biden, Trump’s biggest drop-off was among voters aged 18-29 and 65 and older.

Suburbanites — who bolted from Trump after 2016 — also played a major role. The report says that the former president suffered a “double-digit erosion” with “White College educated voters across the board.”

The picture of the election presented in the report is widely shared by political professionals in both parties, if not by Trump and his legions of his supporters. Trump never offered a concession to Biden, and up until his final days in office, he clung to the debunked idea that the election had been stolen.

Fabrizio declined to comment on the post-mortem. A Trump spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

Trump’s personal behavior, the autopsy makes clear, contributed to his defeat. “Biden had a clear edge over POTUS on being seen as honest & trustworthy,” Fabrizio writes.

Trump’s response to the pandemic was also critical. The autopsy says that coronavirus registered as the top issue among voters, and that Biden won those voters by a nearly 3-to-1 margin. A majority registered disapproval of Trump’s handling of the virus.

Most voters said they prioritized battling the coronavirus over reopening the economy, even as the president put a firm emphasis on the latter. And roughly 75 percent of voters — most of whom favored Biden — said they favored public mask-wearing mandates.

The report also indirectly raises questions about the reelection campaign’s decision to pause advertising on TV over the summer and save resources until the fall. According to the findings, nearly 9-in-10 voters had made up their minds about whom to support by the final month of the race.

Fabrizio isn’t the only Trump adviser who has presented a post-mortem since Nov. 3. John McLaughlin, another Trump pollster, published a report on the conservative Newsmax website the week after the election.

Within Trump’s inner circle, Fabrizio had long espoused the belief that Trump needed to prioritize the pandemic in order to win reelection. Last summer, he penned a 79-page memo arguing that Trump needed to focus first on dealing with the pandemic rather than reopening the economy and recommending, among other things, that he should have been encouraging people to wear masks rather than mocking the practice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/01/trump-campaign-autopsy-paints-damning-picture-of-defeat-464636