Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

Donald Trump is a loser. Several of his handpicked stooges he endorsed have lost their races and this is just another one. This loser lost the election in a blowout and his sycophants think he will run in 2024 when he is even less popular in the GOP. 

Trump's big Texas loss sent 'shockwaves through the former president's inner circle': report

Since the November 2000 election, Trump backed candidates have not done too well. I think this is something the Republican leadership is ignoring, hoping this is all just a fluke, but I think it reflects the new reality. In any case, they have gone too far to turn back now.

Losing the two elections for the U. S. Senate in January, 2021, Losing other elections. A recent election that bucks the trend was Mike Carey winning a primary in Ohio. But that may have more to do with Trump funneling in a massive amount of cash more than Carey receiving Trump’s endorsement.

I think it is likely that by November of 2022, the new reality will become undeniable. Trump has his fervent supporters, can still raise a huge amount of cash, but whose endorsement will hurt a candidate in a general election. Trump has lost the ‘Rhinos’, whom he has disparaged but always needed to win. I am looking forward to that month.

[Joe Elliott]

RNC quietly deletes webpage touting Trump's call for U.S. troops to withdraw from Afghanistan

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rnc-quietly-deletes-webpage-touting-trump-s-call-for-u-s-troops-to-withdraw-from-afghanistan/ar-AANo5Wg?ocid=msedgntp

Well, it appears that some information about Trump has disappeared down a memory hole.

I think if we had just stayed in Afghanistan another 20 years, the Afghanistan army would have been capable on holding on entirely on its own for two, perhaps three months. As it is, they were not able to stand very long.

It just goes to show that you never know how long an army will stand. No one knows, not even the members of the army know how long they will stand once the fighting starts. This is not the first time in history that a people were willing to fight much harder for tyranny than freedom, particularly since the “freedom” of Afghanistan was pretty corrupt.

Getting out was our best option. Should we have gone to Afghanistan in the first place? Well, unlike Iraq, they did attack us. Not directly but through proxies from that they protected.

[Jon Banks]

RNC quietly deletes webpage touting Trump's call for U.S. troops to withdraw from Afghanistan

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rnc-quietly-deletes-webpage-touting-trump-s-call-for-u-s-troops-to-withdraw-from-afghanistan/ar-AANo5Wg?ocid=msedgntp

Well, it appears that some information about Trump has disappeared down a memory hole.

I think if we had just stayed in Afghanistan another 20 years, the Afghanistan army would have been capable on holding on entirely on its own for two, perhaps three months. As it is, they were not able to stand very long.

It just goes to show that you never know how long an army will stand. No one knows, not even the members of the army know how long they will stand once the fighting starts. This is not the first time in history that a people were willing to fight much harder for tyranny than freedom, particularly since the “freedom” of Afghanistan was pretty corrupt.

Getting out was our best option. Should we have gone to Afghanistan in the first place? Well, unlike Iraq, they did attack us. Not directly but through proxies from that they protected.

I mostly agree but the Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11/01.

We should've focused on getting OBL and avoided the nation-building crap.

[Joe Elliott]

I mostly agree but the Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11/01.

We should've focused on getting OBL and avoided the nation-building crap.

Agreed. As soon as OBL was dead, it would have been a good time to pull out within a year.

Well, I guess we will wait for the other shoe to drop. Iraq. We should never have gone into there in 2002. After we redraw, how long will it hold out?

I should mention that nation-building does not always fail. It worked in Germany and Japan. Despite the recent past of the 1930’s and 1940’s, both countries had a history of democracy before the Nazis and the Japanese military took over. In Germany, first the Kaiser was able to stifle it, then Hitler really stifled it, but the desire for democracy was still there among millions, at least after dictatorships had so thoroughly failed. But any country without a strong desire for freedom and democracy among their people, forget it.

[Jon Banks]

Agreed. As soon as OBL was dead, it would have been a good time to pull out within a year.

Well, I guess we will wait for the other shoe to drop. Iraq. We should never have gone into there in 2002. After we redraw, how long will it hold out?

I should mention that nation-building does not always fail. It worked in Germany and Japan. Despite the recent past of the 1930’s and 1940’s, both countries had a history of democracy before the Nazis and the Japanese military took over. In Germany, first the Kaiser was able to stifle it, then Hitler really stifled it, but the desire for democracy was still there among millions, at least after dictatorships had so thoroughly failed. But any country without a strong desire for freedom and democracy among their people, forget it.

We did great with post-WWII Europe, Japan, and South Korea. But since the 1950s, the successful long-term military engagements have been few and far between.

Afghanistan is called "the graveyard of Empires" for a reason. Even the British failed there and their record for nation-building is much better than ours. 

[Joe Elliott]

Newly uncovered video delays Capitol rioter's sentencing

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/newly-uncovered-video-delays-capitol-rioter-s-sentencing/vi-AANvRXj?ocid=msedgntp

Hurrah for the ‘Sedition Hunters’. You guys rock!

[Rick Plant]

This scumbag criminal couldn't even go one day, especially on 9/11, without falsely attacking our President of the United States. He didn't even have the courage to stand with our President and former Presidents to mourn the 9/11 victims and the anniversary on this solemn day. Had to show up for some phony photo op for a few minutes. A total disgrace and the entire world is glad he is out of power.